Another Gyno Question

[bigmak45]

Well I've got what I believe to be old gyno. I took Cellucore's P6 BEFORE they reformulated it. I believe they found some steroid type ingredients in the product so it was taken off the market. Anyway, I've just recently learned of this whole gyno epidemic. I guess I've always thought I had puffy nipples, but I took this P6 when I was in my teens and now I'm 23 and have a lot of chest fat. I've been cutting weight, initially all natural and within the last week I've started the EC stack, and so far I've lost 41 lbs. As I've been cutting everything has obviously gotten smaller but I recently noticed this large lumps under and around both of my nipples.

Here's the thing, I smoked a ton of Marijuana in college...stupid I know, but I didnt' really notice these lumps until now and I've been clean since March (almost 7 months). I plan on trying bino's regiment for letro (http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=236880) since it can't really hurt to try and I figure why the hell not, but just wondering if you could provide any insight as to how long it will take to clear this up. Has it been too long? I've read through this entire thread and I realize the longer you've not done anything about it the longer it will take to clear up, but I was curious as to if there are any differences in treating steroids induced gyno vs. Marijuana induced gyno.

Also how long does 1 bottle of letro last on bino's regiment? If I've done the math correct one bottle of letro from Anabolic-Review is 30 mL and at the full dosage of 2.5 mg the bottle only lasts for 12 days? Man this could get expensive! Thanks for the help!

[magic32]

Emphatically "No"! Contrary to popular belief it is never too late to medicinally treat gyno, as evidenced by numerous studies of severe, persistent, pubescent gyno which were completely resolved or at least satisfactorily reduced with therapy. Here are a studies that more clearly illustrate this point: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...=1#post3919943

As in your case gyno doesn’t have to be inherently painful, and yours was likely exposed by the large weight reduction. Although you may notice more fat loss in that region as your weight continues to decline, the "lumps" you cited are definitely gyno nodules and will consequently require active treatment. It's not a major concern that the etiology (cause) of this gyno is Idiopathic or unknown as you noted always having puffiness which may be genetic predisposition or pubertal gyno (depending on how far back you recall it), rec. drug use, supplements containing aas, etc., because it (etiology) is primarily used to determine the course or ordering of treatment, which can certainly vary based on the individual’s responsiveness.

Again, contrary to popular belief, there is no direct correlation as you presumed, between the amount time gyno is present and the time required for its resolution. The correlation is actually between the level of unbalanced hormone ratios within your body, and the time it takes to rectify this condition, or if the levels are re-stabilized the time it takes to effectively starve gyno of nourishing estrogen thereby shrinking it.

Bino's regimen varies depending on the factors involved, so you'll have to do the math. However, there are other effective alternative therapies which can be administered individually, simultaneously or sequentially (preferred) such as the less expensive/readily available Nolvadex, and even DHTs which can also be doctor prescribed and insurance covered, the most notable of which is Danazol. Here’s some more info:

Ting AC, Chow LW, Leung YF.
Comparison of tamoxifen with danazol in the management of idiopathic gynecomastia.
Am Surg 2000;66: 38-40.[ISI][Medline]

Parker LN, Gray DR, Lai MK, Levin ER.
Treatment of gynecomastia with tamoxifen: a double-blind crossover study. Metabolism. 1986;35: 705-8.[CrossRef][ISI][Medline]

McDermott MT, Hofeldt FD, Kidd GS.
Tamoxifen therapy for painful idiopathic gynecomastia.
South Med J 1990;83: 1283-5.[ISI][Medline]

Alagaratnam TT.
Idiopathic gynecomastia treated with tamoxifen: a preliminary report.
Clin Ther 1987;9: 483-7.[ISI][Medline]

Best to you.

[RapaciousShark]

just be cautious with the anti-Es. they can cause more problems than they solve, and you could end wishing you still just had some little lumps under your nipples.

point is do your research, monitor your blood, and watch very closely for signs of side effects. The rebound from non-suicidal inhibitors such as letro can be nasty, so beware of that as well.

[bigmak45]

Emphatically "No"! Contrary to popular belief it is never too late to medicinally treat gyno, as evidenced by numerous studies of severe, persistent, pubescent gyno which were completely resolved or at least satisfactorily reduced with therapy. Here are a studies that more clearly illustrate this point: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...=1#post3919943

As in your case gyno doesn’t have to be inherently painful, and yours was likely exposed by the large weight reduction. Although you may notice more fat loss in that region as your weight continues to decline, the "lumps" you cited are definitely gyno nodules and will consequently require active treatment. It's not a major concern that the etiology (cause) of this gyno is Idiopathic or unknown as you noted always having puffiness which may be genetic predisposition or pubertal gyno (depending on how far back you recall it), rec. drug use, supplements containing aas, etc., because it (etiology) is primarily used to determine the course or ordering of treatment, which can certainly vary based on the individual’s responsiveness.

Again, contrary to popular belief, there is no direct correlation as you presumed, between the amount time gyno is present and the time required for its resolution. The correlation is actually between the level of unbalanced hormone ratios within your body, and the time it takes to rectify this condition, or if the levels are re-stabilized the time it takes to effectively starve gyno of nourishing estrogen thereby shrinking it.

Bino's regimen varies depending on the factors involved, so you'll have to do the math. However, there are other effective alternative therapies which can be administered individually, simultaneously or sequentially (preferred) such as the less expensive/readily available Nolvadex, and even DHTs which can also be doctor prescribed and insurance covered, the most notable of which is Danazol. Here’s some more info:

Ting AC, Chow LW, Leung YF.
Comparison of tamoxifen with danazol in the management of idiopathic gynecomastia.
Am Surg 2000;66: 38-40.[ISI][Medline]

Parker LN, Gray DR, Lai MK, Levin ER.
Treatment of gynecomastia with tamoxifen: a double-blind crossover study. Metabolism. 1986;35: 705-8.[CrossRef][ISI][Medline]

McDermott MT, Hofeldt FD, Kidd GS.
Tamoxifen therapy for painful idiopathic gynecomastia.
South Med J 1990;83: 1283-5.[ISI][Medline]

Alagaratnam TT.
Idiopathic gynecomastia treated with tamoxifen: a preliminary report.
Clin Ther 1987;9: 483-7.[ISI][Medline]

Best to you.

Hey man! Thanks a lot for your post. I guess my next logical question is what is the best way to attack this problem. Obviously it would be awesome to go to my doctor and get a script paid for by my insurance, but is Danazol the most effective way to treat it? I guess it wouldn't hurt to try, but if say Bino's regiment of Letro is actually more effective I may just go that route. I guess my real question is what is the best way to treat gyno vs. what is the most cost effective way to treat it? Let me know what you think and thanks again!