1st cycle starts tomarow this is what i got

**wickid1111** · 09-15-2008, 09:41 PM

6'2
23 yo
14% bf (last i measured, closer to 12-13 now)
193lbs

workout is fine i go 6 days a week and diff muscle group every day. 1 of the days is cardio only sunday rest.

up to 4000cal a day diet copied off the bords so its fine.

taking multi vitamins and ginsing throughout cycle

on hand...
60ml Sust250
50ml mast
50ml tren a
30ml arimidex
30ml letro

clomid in the mail

1st cycle.

week 1-12 b12 .5cc ED
week 1-12 liquid a-dex .25 ED
week 1-5 sust250 .5cc ED
week 6-12 sust250 .25cc ED
week 6-12 masteron .5cc ED
letro on hand

had pub gyno so this is why im doing the adex

pct
week 1-5 Arimidex .25cc ED
week 1-5 b12 .5cc ED
week 1-2 Clomid 50mg ED
week 3-5 Clomid 25mg ED

thats what i got for now. im doin the mast if my body feels fine with the sust. I kno wits a bad idea 1st cycle but ima do it anyways lol. so lemme know what u guys think. i cant get nolva so thats out. is it ok to do the sust like that??? pct is my only downside here i think i still dont know much about it. everything i read has nolva in it and i cant get nolva

**smokethedays** · 09-15-2008, 09:56 PM

Originally Posted by wickid1111

6'2
23 yo
14% bf (last i measured, closer to 12-13 now)
193lbs

workout is fine i go 6 days a week and diff muscle group every day. 1 of the days is cardio only sunday rest.

up to 4000cal a day diet copied off the bords so its fine.

taking multi vitamins and ginsing throughout cycle

on hand...
60ml Sust250
50ml mast
50ml tren a
30ml arimidex
30ml letro

clomid in the mail

1st cycle.

week 1-12 b12 .5cc ED
week 1-12 liquid a-dex .25 ED
week 1-5 sust250 .5cc ED
week 6-12 sust250 .25cc ED Why?
week 6-12 masteron .5cc ED What concentration is itat ? 100mg/ml?
letro on hand

had pub gyno so this is why im doing the adex

pct
week 1-5 Arimidex .25cc ED
week 1-5 b12 .5cc ED
week 1-2 Clomid 50mg ED split the 1st week into day 1 200mg, day 2-4 100 days 5-28 50 mg ED. no need for 5 weeks or 25 mgED stay at 50 mg ED for 4 weeks, u'll be fine.
week 3-5 Clomid 25mg ED

thats what i got for now. im doin the mast if my body feels fine with the sust. I kno wits a bad idea 1st cycle but ima do it anyways lol. so lemme know what u guys think. i cant get nolva so thats out. is it ok to do the sust like that??? pct is my only downside here i think i still dont know much about it. everything i read has nolva in it and i cant get nolva

Just do .25 CC Sustanon ED week 1-12

also read bold above. Good luck

**wickid1111** · 09-15-2008, 10:00 PM

yes the mast is 100mg/ml just wanted to fronload a bit but if that wont make a diff i will do what u said with the sust

clomids all about frontloading eh?? k i will do that

**wickid1111** · 09-15-2008, 10:36 PM

any other opinions???? im gonna start at .25cc sust ED wk 1-12 like smoke said then, tomarow morning. open to more opinions! this cycle planed out ok?

**wickid1111** · 09-16-2008, 11:47 AM

shot 1 done.. huts a lil bit but nothin too bad. heading to the gym

**LATS60** · 09-16-2008, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by smokethedays

Just do .25 CC Sustanon ED week 1-12

also read bold above. Good luck

I cannot believe that someone with that many posts and that much experience, would tell someone to shoot sust ED, jesus why even bother taking a multi ester with a HL of 18-21 days then shoot ED F**K me, you might as well shoot prop or susp.

**fit4ever180** · 09-16-2008, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by LATS60

I cannot believe that someone with that many posts and that much experience, would tell someone to shoot sust ED, jesus why even bother taking a multi ester with a HL of 18-21 days then shoot ED F**K me, you might as well shoot prop or susp.

ditto

**Flex-Appeal** · 09-16-2008, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by LATS60

I cannot believe that someone with that many posts and that much experience, would tell someone to shoot sust ED, jesus why even bother taking a multi ester with a HL of 18-21 days then shoot ED F**K me, you might as well shoot prop or susp.

never listen to lats on this sust injection topic, I'm here to hijack this thread and flame him! Jk LOL let him shoot it as he pleases, sust sucks anyways

**Flex-Appeal** · 09-16-2008, 01:00 PM

First cycle he should shoot plain test anyways ( cyp enth or prop) IMO

**inky-e** · 09-16-2008, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by wickid1111

6'2
23 yo
14% bf (last i measured, closer to 12-13 now)
193lbs

workout is fine i go 6 days a week and diff muscle group every day. 1 of the days is cardio only sunday rest.

up to 4000cal a day diet copied off the bords so its fine.

taking multi vitamins and ginsing throughout cycle

on hand...
60ml Sust250
50ml mast
50ml tren a
30ml arimidex
30ml letro

clomid in the mail

1st cycle.

week 1-12 b12 .5cc ED
week 1-12 liquid a-dex .25 ED
week 1-5 sust250 .5cc ED
week 6-12 sust250 .25cc ED
week 6-12 masteron .5cc ED
letro on hand

had pub gyno so this is why im doing the adex

pct
week 1-5 Arimidex .25cc ED
week 1-5 b12 .5cc ED
week 1-2 Clomid 50mg ED
week 3-5 Clomid 25mg ED

thats what i got for now. im doin the mast if my body feels fine with the sust. I kno wits a bad idea 1st cycle but ima do it anyways lol. so lemme know what u guys think. i cant get nolva so thats out. is it ok to do the sust like that??? pct is my only downside here i think i still dont know much about it. everything i read has nolva in it and i cant get nolva

Bro keep the sust at same dosage throughout...no need to go up or down...

**BigBrad330** · 09-16-2008, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by wickid1111

on hand...
60ml Sust250
50ml mast
50ml tren a
30ml arimidex
30ml letro

where is the tren at?

**smokethedays** · 09-16-2008, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by LATS60

I cannot believe that someone with that many posts and that much experience, would tell someone to shoot sust ED, jesus why even bother taking a multi ester with a HL of 18-21 days then shoot ED F**K me, you might as well shoot prop or susp.

Sustanon for Medical use the way it was invented should be shot on intervals. To gain mass on Sustanon, you need to shoot it ED.
Thats my opinion. He is here asking for OPINIONS if you noticed.
so please just do me a favour and save ur falmin' to ur self. and just post YOUR own opinion.
but somehow my OPINIONS end up workin' well, and I get results better than any other traditional method of using AAS.

By the way what does my post count have to do with anything? is that how you guys judge knowledge here?!

**LATS60** · 09-16-2008, 04:06 PM

Sorry mate, iv'e been in this game 30yrs and always shot sust 1 or2 times wk, i didn't realise i had to shoot it ED to get big, oh well you learn something everyday.
By the way, whats the HL of sust again?????????

**smokethedays** · 09-16-2008, 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by LATS60

Sorry mate, iv'e been in this game 30yrs and always shot sust 1 or2 times wk, i didn't realise i had to shoot it ED to get big, oh well you learn something everyday.
By the way, whats the HL of sust again?????????

I don't give a rat ass how long u've been in the 'game'. I post what works, I tired it as such and worked well.
Let me ask you a question: how many times did u find out that there is a newer and better way to use a substance starting with cough medicine up to AAS. 1st Oral was the shit back in the 60's then no its bad, then Pyramid cycle came along and every body on earth was usin AAS in pyramid cycles, PCT so many different changes emerged, HCG as well. now IAM telling shoot sus ed at a low dose and u'll see the results. there is no need for u to act like a smart ass and flame me about something u've never tried.

**LATS60** · 09-16-2008, 04:28 PM

You can shoot it how you like, i just didn't agree with your opinion that you need to shoot it ED to get big, simply because, thats not true.

**frignugs** · 09-16-2008, 05:24 PM

to the op.......I would shoot sust ed or eod for best results..

Once a week for sust Lats60??? terrible choice and advice...

OP, If you plan on running the tren (which i didnt see in your cycle, but thought u may have accidenttaly forgot to put it in), just take the sust with it, then mast....case closed

**wickid1111** · 09-16-2008, 09:18 PM

yea i was going to but i got informed it was too much on my 1st cycle (tren ) so im leaving it out till cycle 2. i decided to shoot the sust ED to make use of the prop in it. besides the more u shoot the more stable any steroid will be right? i dont mind the needles anyways. but yea cant wait for it to hit me. was a lil more phsyched for the gym today. got in a couple more reps

**wickid1111** · 09-16-2008, 09:24 PM

oh and just for your info i tried to get test prop but my suply sent me sust instead and told me all tests were the same. so im a lil pissed off cant return the sust and out of $ so i decided to go ahead on it and find a new suply for next time.

**LATS60** · 09-17-2008, 05:56 AM

Originally Posted by frignugs

to the op.......I would shoot sust ed or eod for best results..

Once a week for sust Lats60??? terrible choice and advice...

OP, If you plan on running the tren (which i didnt see in your cycle, but thought u may have accidenttaly forgot to put it in), just take the sust with it, then mast....case closed

Why is it a terrible choice, do you even know how a multi estered test works?
obviously not.

**kingwilliam** · 09-17-2008, 06:12 AM

Im shooting Omnadren (sustanons's cousin) every 3 days and I have gained 10 pounds so far.....I am midway thru my 4th week.

(I am merely stating my personal experience with this type of test)

P.S. Its a 250mg ampule every 3 days

**generation_ss** · 09-17-2008, 06:20 AM

Originally Posted by kingwilliam

Im shooting Omnadren (sustanons's cousin) every 3 days and I have gained 10 pounds so far.....I am midway thru my 4th week.

(I am merely stating my personal experience with this type of test)

On my first cycle i used a multi-ester test 400 and shot 1/ml every 3 day's and had great results.

**LATS60** · 09-17-2008, 07:42 AM

Agree, it's up to the individual, i shoot 2x wk on sust if i'm doing a gram+ then i taper down to my cruise dose of 250mg wk.

**smokethedays** · 09-17-2008, 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by kingwilliam

Im shooting Omnadren (sustanons's cousin) every 3 days and I have gained 10 pounds so far.....I am midway thru my 4th week.

(I am merely stating my personal experience with this type of test)

P.S. Its a 250mg ampule every 3 days

You gained 10 lbs in 3 weeks?!! wow man, and you believe that is muscle?!

**smokethedays** · 09-17-2008, 09:58 AM

Originally Posted by LATS60

Agree, it's up to the individual, i shoot 2x wk on sust if i'm doing a gram+ then i taper down to my cruise dose of 250mg wk.

Taper down? dude this is 70's method. What's the point of doing that, saving money?!

**LATS60** · 09-17-2008, 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by smokethedays

Taper down? dude this is 70's method. What's the point of doing that, saving money?!

You didn't read my post properly, i taper down to cruise, to avoid too many sides, i was talking with marcus 3000 about my cruise blast protocol, which iv;e been running for a few years, we agreed without a doub't that if you blast&cruise the best way is to taper the last 4wks back down to cruise dosages, that ok do you think?

**Flex-Appeal** · 09-17-2008, 10:18 AM

both sides have valid points but in the end you say fvck sust and go with enth

**LATS60** · 09-17-2008, 10:22 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by smokethedays
Taper down? dude this is 70's method. What's the point of doing that, saving money?!

The reason for this was that they didn't do PCT back then, tapering down was the protocol they used to avoid a big crash.

**Dr_BruceBanner** · 09-17-2008, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by LATS60

You can shoot it how you like, i just didn't agree with your opinion that you need to shoot it ED to get big, simply because, thats not true.

You know that's all well and good but you don't have to be an ass about it just because yu don't agree with someone and then flame then for it.

Tht's why a lot of people don't even bother posting in the first place because assholes always leave some stupid ass remark thinking that they are smarting than anyone one else out ther.

**smokethedays** · 09-17-2008, 11:48 PM

Originally Posted by Dr_BruceBanner

You know that's all well and good but you don't have to be an ass about it just because yu don't agree with someone and then flame then for it.

Tht's why a lot of people don't even bother posting in the first place because assholes always leave some stupid ass remark thinking that they are smarting than anyone one else out ther.

Ditto

**LATS60** · 09-18-2008, 06:01 AM

I admit i was wrong, you do need to shoot sust ED to get big.

**DrTY** · 09-18-2008, 06:18 AM

i been blasting sus n deca every week or e6d its working fine for me..
i agree with lats ed is just stupid imo maybe the results ur seeing is the swelling from all the pinholes in ur body
any doctor will tell u sus shouldnt be taken more than 3 times in one fortnight.

**kingwilliam** · 09-18-2008, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by smokethedays

You gained 10 lbs in 3 weeks?!! wow man, and you believe that is muscle?!

No, I think most is water.....but some is muscle..

I have been eating like a monster since I started this cycle....

**smokethedays** · 09-18-2008, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by DrTY

i been blasting sus n deca every week or e6d its working fine for me..
i agree with lats ed is just stupid imo maybe the results ur seeing is the swelling from all the pinholes in ur body
any doctor will tell u sus shouldnt be taken more than 3 times in one fortnight.

Hey ass hole watch ur language.
Exactly Doctor, u guys are NOT ****in' sick, we r Letterally tryin' abuse the substance and get the most of it.

**wickid1111** · 09-18-2008, 08:26 PM

true that

**SNUKA** · 09-18-2008, 08:43 PM

man that seems like a crazy cycle for a beginner i would stick to test-e for 12 weeks. and your pct needs some work even for test only forget about if you were going to run tren .

**wickid1111** · 09-19-2008, 12:08 AM

Originally Posted by SNUKA

man that seems like a crazy cycle for a beginner i would stick to test-e for 12 weeks. and your pct needs some work even for test only forget about if you were going to run tren.

read the thread we allready went over everything u just braught up. how is it a crazy cycle. i got a standard amount of test... the only thing out of the norm fer a beginer cycle is the masteron .