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All right need dome advice about doing a cycle of test
Im going to follow the novice cycle 1 on this site
test enanthate with d boll to kick start
The advice im needing is of the effect of cardio whilst on it i am a fitness instructor and i am going to have to take at least 2 and maximum of 4 spin classes (hard cardio for 45 mins)
How will i be effected?
Sure... that would be a kick ass cycle and will, in fact, help tremendously for your cardio classes!
However, if you don't mind, provide some stats... age/height/weight/bf%/cycle goals!
About cycle goals, do you want to cut/keep gains/gain mass while on cycle and cardio... etc!
thx
You can now officially say you are cycling while cycling. As long as you arent working out right now id say its a great way to drop some bf or maintain your weight whilst gaining some mass, provided your diet is good.
Age-24
Height-6ft
Weight-13st(181lbs)
Bf %- 14
I want to put a bit of size on i was into it alot better but after suffering a hernia and lost alot of size i am more into my fitness tho i eat a very high protien diet so not to loose any more size.
My goal is to use the cycle to bulk back up a bit and then go onto clenbuterol to controll the amount of muscle loss to a minimum then continue on my normal training wich is a cross between cardio and weights and MMA training whils on the high protein diet to keep my size but still hve the fitness there. What you think?
I would run an AI along with your cycle personally.
My diet is perfect
Consists of only tuna, eggs, chicken, pasta, egg noodles, whey protein and brocholie(for iron) And of course the good old 5 bits of fruit a day
Ai ? Anti ?
aromatase inhibitor, to stop conversion of dbol/test into estrogen.
anti aromatizer, used to prevent aromatization from exogenous test into estrogen which then too much of a good thing would give you too many sides, most notably, a double size D...
Yeah like novadex?
Will i require pct?
The test is at 400mg p/w for 12 weeks
do you know about pct? post cycle theraphy... I'm assuming you do, but just in case, here:
http://forums.steroid.com/pct-post-cycle-therapy/
of course you'll need pct mate... what do you have for PCT put together? the test at 400mg is fine! let's concentrate on your pct...
ok.. look, a test cycle kickstarted by dboll for the first 4 weeks is a great cycle... you'll get tons of strength and stamina (as long as your diet is in check) - remember no food, you'll run on empty... you could fill your car's tank with 100 octane grade, but if your engine has no oil is going to break! you follow me...
Yeah just now i am on hight protein relitivly low carbs say around 100-120 g perday i will dratsicly increase this whilst on the course.
pct i was going to use clomid therapy (Clomiphene Citrate)
wwek 1 300 mg 100 mg 100 mg 100 mg 100 mg 100 mg 100 mg
Week 2 100 mg 100 mg 100 mg 100 mg 50 mg 50 mg 50 mg
Week 3 50 mg 50 mg 50 mg 50 mg 50 mg 50 mg 50 mg
This is from the sites suggested pct cycle.
Should i take nolvadex during cycle say 20mg p/d to further reduce side effect risks?
no, no, no... let me ask you first, have you used clomid at those dosages before?
if yes, how have your body reacted to those dosages while pct and after you stopped pct?
Ok... to your question, i was reading too fast on your previous post.
for something like that, a propper pct protocol would consist of Nolva, Clomid, and Proviron.
the pct will need to be started 2 weeks after last test e injection and last app**. between 4 to 6 weeks.
No not used at those dosages before too much?
What you recomend?
so, putting everything together...
Wks 1-12 250mg 2x per week - Test E
Wks 1-4 Dbol at 30mgs ED per week
PCT:
Wks 15-18 Nolva 40/40/20/20
Wks 15-18 Clomid 50/50/25/25
Wks 15-18 Proviron 50md ED
or
Wks 15-20 Nolva and Clomid 20mg/25mg
Wks 15-18 Proviron 50mg ED
yeah, that clomid dosage for such a long time (4 weeks) is just too high and could be more problematic than anything else... could cause liver tox levels to raise too high and be detrimental on Estro levels... thus, muscle mass as well! not good..
On a pct protocol, the very first few days -say, 1-4, you could do 150mgs w/out compromising anything.. and then tapering it down to low dosages at 50mgs for rest of cycle but you must know how your body reacts to it and you should know what you're doing to utilize such technique... just read up on it on the profile if you would like to find out more about clomid or nolva for pct.
PCT:
Wks 15-18 Nolva 40/40/20/20
Wks 15-18 Clomid 50/50/25/25
Wks 15-18 Proviron 50md ED
Sorry dont under stand? how many days each week? just 4
No wait just realised 40mg nova, 50 clomid and 50mg proviron/day? is the poviron necesarry?
What about the clen i said about taking that aswell after to hold some size and cut off anything i may have gained fat wise start that after the pct?
also, you can bump the dbol at 40 perhaps 50mgs... your call but to kickstart anything between 30 and 50mg is k... is use higher dosages than the AI must be taken during cycle just to keep Estro levels in check.. like arimidex or letro at .25mgs ed weeks 1-6 on cycle!
like arimidex or letro at .25mgs ed weeks 1-6 on cycle
Sorry you have lost me on this one?
sorry for hassle you have been best help on here so far
yes.. the proviron is necessary as dbol is a 17aa (oral) and somewhat aromatizes to estrogen. That plus the exo Test e, combined, that could create the perfect system for estro levels to spike and cause some mild sides... most notoriously, the potential for some gyno!
personally, that is a strong pct protocol... if you use the AI on cycle (arimidex,Letro) you can drop the proviron for PCT... but if you can afford the proviron for on cycle and PCT even better. That would translate to keeping more of your hard earned gains and AAS money from cycle, after the fact... cycle and pct!
How do i take the proviron during cycle?
Or how do i take the arimidex/letro ?
Day by day at what dose?
lol... sorry bro:
Look I'll put everything together here for ya below, with options too:
Wks 1-12 250mg 2x per week Test E
Wks 1-4 30-60mgs (between 30-60mgs is ok) Dbol
(optional, AI on cycle)
Wks 1-4 Letro/Arimidex dosed at .25mg ED or EotherD weeks 1/2/3/4
PCT option 1:
Wks 15-18 Nolva dosed at 40mg ED during weeks 15/16 and 20mg 17/18
Wks 15-18 Clomid dosed at 50mgs wks 15/16 and at 25mg wks 17/18
(this is not really needed if you get the on cycle AI)
Wks 15-18 Proviron dosed at 50mgs ED weeks 15/16/17/18
or PCT option 2:
Wks 15-20 Nolva/Clomid 20mgs/25mgs ED for 6 weeks (weeks 15/16/17/18/19/20)
(if you choose this protocol, I extremely suggest you to take the AI on cycle)
my stamina goes to hell on dbol
Really, what you need for your pct is:
Nolva
Clomid
Optional
Proviron -to be used on PCT or on cycle
And optional,
Letro or Arimidex -to be used on cycle
If you can only afford one of those three, just try to use according to the protocol I described to you above and ask questions if you are unsure!
Think ill just leave it and stay natural..................... Ha bet you were raging there cheers for all the time mate top notch i shall let you know how i get on.
I take it ill just inject say mon thurs? few days between?
lol.. Md, don't discourage the OP, the guy is a gym rat! j/k jm
Yeah, Monday and Thursday is good protocol! let me know how it goes... sorry for the brief confusion; just got carried away for a bit :lol:
Cheers
cheers bro... let us know how it goes!