Aggression Is Ruining me.....

[VR4]

cycle:
1-4 anadrol 100mg/day
1-10 npp 500mg week
1-11 eq 600mg week
1-12 test prop 170 mg week

ED injections

i am on week 2 now....and noticing some serious aggression and messed up temper. its a full time job to not get offended, and try not to get angry at what everybody says. things i would just brush off before...gets to me so easily. and i dont believe in roid rage so i dont think its placebo. its not really rage...just easily annoyed by everything. I am very close to losing my girlfriend because of it....and its not worth it. i just want to start pct already.

My question is... will letro/caber help get rid of this side effect?
i can start it tomorrow. (didnt use it because of shipping errors at the post office)
if its not going to make it better...im going to stop my cycle.

thanks

[Ashop]

cycle:
1-4 anadrol 100mg/day
1-10 npp 500mg week
1-11 eq 600mg week
1-12 test prop 170 mg week

ED injections

i am on week 2 now....and noticing some serious aggression and messed up temper. its a full time job to not get offended, and try not to get angry at what everybody says. things i would just brush off before...gets to me so easily. and i dont believe in roid rage so i dont think its placebo. its not really rage...just easily annoyed by everything. I am very close to losing my girlfriend because of it....and its not worth it. i just want to start pct already.

My question is... will letro/caber help get rid of this side effect?
i can start it tomorrow. (didnt use it because of shipping errors at the post office)
if its not going to make it better...im going to stop my cycle.

thanks

if you cant control your temper or emotions,,,,lower dose or come OFF.

[Mulciber]

i feel if you have an aggressive personality it can make it worse.. but nothing you shouldnt be able to control.. if no then as the above said (cant post the name) lower the dose or stop.. you say you dont believe in roid rage .. here is a study to back your belief.. but there are other studies that show just the opposite.. think its down to the individual..

Tricker R, Casaburi R, Storer TW, Clevenger B, Berman N, Shirazi A, Bhasin S.
Division of Endocrinology, Charles R. Drew University of Medicine and Science, Los Angeles, California 90059, USA.

Anecdotal reports of "roid rage" and violent crimes by androgenic steroid users have brought attention to the relationship between anabolic steroid use and angry outbursts. However, testosterone effects on human aggression remain controversial. Previous studies have been criticized because of the low androgen doses, lack of placebo control or blinding, and inclusion of competitive athletes and those with preexisting psychopathology. To overcome these pitfalls, we used a double-blind, placebo-controlled design, excluded competitive athletes and those with psychiatric disorders, and used 600 mg testosterone enanthate (TE)/week. Forty-three eugonadal men, 19-40 yr, were randomized to 1 of 4 groups: Group I, placebo, no exercise; Group II, TE, no exercise; Group III, placebo, exercise; Group IV, TE plus exercise. Exercise consisted of thrice weekly strength training sessions. The Multi-Dimensional Anger Inventory (MAI), which includes 5 different dimensions of anger (inward anger, outward anger, anger arousal, hostile outlook, and anger eliciting situations), and a Mood Inventory (MI), which includes items related to mood and behavior, were administered to subjects before, during, and after the 10 week intervention. The subject's significant other (spouse, live-in partner, or parent) also answered the same questions about the subject's mood and behavior (Observer Mood Inventory, OMI). No differences were observed between exercising and nonexercising and between placebo and TE treated subjects for any of the 5 subdomains of MAI. Overall there were no significant changes in MI or OMI during the treatment period in any group. Conclusion: Supraphysiological doses of testosterone, when administered to normal men in a controlled setting, do not increase angry behavior. These data do not exclude the possibility that still higher doses of multiple steroids might provoke angry behavior in men with preexisting psychopathology.

PMID: 8855834 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

[Nitro29]

You are having roid rage but you dont beleive in roid rage.

Nice.

[andyb250r]

Read the rules.

[JiGGaMaN]

Learn to control yourself. If you cant, then steroids arent for you. Also i dont think letro/caber will decrease your aggression issues (if i was reading that correctly?).

[Banelord]

i get mad on cycle and have been know to raise my voice, but I still can control myself.

[Nitro29]

Edited

No rec drug talk guys

[Flex-Appeal]

IMO you can control agression if you want to control it. Steroids are not for people who are mentally weak(not just speaking of you). Mind over matter, if you don't mind then it doesn't matter. You aren't even shooting a reduliculous cycle either.
P.S-letro will not affect agression, only mood swings from progesterone.

[GT2]

Learn to control yourself. If you cant, then steroids arent for you. Also i dont think letro/caber will decrease your aggression issues (if i was reading that correctly?).

Agreed.

[bene7422]

gettin annoyed and pissed off at everything and everybody is not uncommon when your taking anadrol .

[VR4]

gettin annoyed and pissed off at everything and everybody is not uncommon when your taking anadrol.

do you think its just the drol thats causing this?

[fynetune]

Its the anadrol , had the same problem. I just dont use it anymore. Staying away from it keeps me happy.

do you think its just the drol thats causing this?

[IFR]

I say you are using to many items. I stack only 2 products at a time. I used to get angry back when I was inexperienced and using to many things at one time.

[PT]

if you cant control your temper or emotions,,,,lower dose or come OFF.

i agree with this. i had my problems with high tren doses but i have done double these doses and used more drugs at one time and i never had a problem controling myself and if i did then i would of stopped the juice in a second. if you cant control your temper then either seek help or drop the juice

[thecivilizedanimal]

as a canadian, we have a similar view on regulating agressive emotions.

but rules of this board state you shouldnt be reccomending something like that ( even though it has it's merits )



but in all honesty if you have to resort to taking some drug to deal with the effects of the roids, maybe you arent physically or mentally able to deal with steroid use .


of course i myself felt frustrated and short tempered many times, but my chronic use of illegal drugs only helped some.



it's all about self control homie

[WARMachine]

[legobricks]

Mind over matter

Self control

etc..


All easy to say to another BUT in some cases it really is extremely difficult to do. Aggravation is easily icreased while using some substances and when someone is annoying the shit outta you yeah, your agression levels go up signifacantly. Its best to walk outta situations that may make you mad. I agree with it tho, either lower doses, drop some substances, or drop the entire cycle and start PCT. Best of luck to you, have you been using anything for progesterone control?

[DSM4Life]

grow up

[fattymcbutterpants]

I have been taking anadrol at 100mg for about the past 3 weeks and actually havent really had much of a problem with aggression. Once my tren e started kicking in I have noticed I snap easier but nothing uncontrollable. If I ever just get really pissed i will walk outside find a sorta big stick and a tree and beat the crap out of the tree to take my anger out. Make sure you dont live in too public of a place tho if you do this lol the neighbors might think its a little odd. But i think it really helps. I just will keep swinging till the stick breaks or i get tired and not very angry. This will help keep you from snapping on people so easy but just think about everything that has made you mad and focus on that while you hit it lol it really works then let all of it go once your done and then you can move on

[Flex-Appeal]

Edited

dsm, you can add this to the hall of shame quotes bro

[romo6]

Lower the anadrol to 50mg.I would stick with it you will get use to it.

[testy1975]

shit try being on trt then taken of and you will get the true meaning of roid rage . fvuck you have know i dea how crazy i feel the last 6 weeks. when i was o0n felt fine great .

[MercyDog]

Having a problem with your emotions is one thing, acting out by stomping someones guts out is another. Everyones emotions change when your hormones do.

[SmittyTheOX]

shit try being on trt then taken of and you will get the true meaning of roid rage. fvuck you have know i dea how crazy i feel the last 6 weeks. when i was o0n felt fine great .

Im a bit the same. Im know to be a bit of a loose cannon at times but gear always mellows me out.

[testy1975]

ya dont know why either. always been like that till istarted taking juice then i turned in to a *****. no really but real mellow.

[testy1975]

opps fuvcked up

[BG]

Lower the NPP, nandy gets me too.

[jg42058p]

I'll probably get flamed for this but...

First of all, is it not without a doubt that having extremely high levels of androgens and other hormones can affect someones mood? It alters the brain chemistry and can alter your emotional reactions to situations. Thats what people interpret as being "roid rage "..

Of course having elevated levels of androgens/male hormones will alter your emotional reactions - thats brain chemistry! Why do you think so many steroid users get depressed during PCT? Because their testosterone levels are low and it affects their mood and emotional reactions!

Bottom line is this - having elevated levels of androgens can affect your emotional reactions to things, and some people can control how they feel emotionally better than others. But the higher the dosage the harder it is to control...

A lot of steroid users DONT experience "roid rage" and a lot of them foolishly assume that such a phenomenon could never occur with anyone. Try giving someone with bipolar disorder steroids and see what happens to their mood.

[Nitro29]

I'll probably get flamed for this but...

First of all, is it not without a doubt that having extremely high levels of androgens and other hormones can affect someones mood? It alters the brain chemistry and can alter your emotional reactions to situations. Thats what people interpret as being "roid rage "..

Of course having elevated levels of androgens/male hormones will alter your emotional reactions - thats brain chemistry! Why do you think so many steroid users get depressed during PCT? Because their testosterone levels are low and it affects their mood and emotional reactions!

Bottom line is this - having elevated levels of androgens can affect your emotional reactions to things, and some people can control how they feel emotionally better than others. But the higher the dosage the harder it is to control...

A lot of steroid users DONT experience "roid rage" and a lot of them foolishly assume that such a phenomenon could never occur with anyone. Try giving someone with bipolar disorder steroids and see what happens to their mood.

Agree totally, very well said...nitro

[Amorphic]

use your aggression in the gym, get pissed off at the weights and let it out.

i only started feeling really aggressive when i stacked more than 2 compounds.

prop/npp i felt great, added dbol in there and i got a few comments that i was getting a bit too aggressive.

drop the eq and see how you feel.

[VR4]

ok so i havent used anything in 2 days...and already feel better.
i think it was the drol for some reason. the headaches stopped too.
how can I pct off this cycle?
ive been on for about a week and a half.
I have:
nolva
proviron
l-dex
clomid
letro
caber

any ideas on how to get off without too many sides?

[Amorphic]

ok so i havent used anything in 2 days...and already feel better.
i think it was the drol for some reason. the headaches stopped too.
how can I pct off this cycle?
ive been on for about a week and a half.
I have:
nolva
proviron
l-dex
clomid
letro
caber

any ideas on how to get off without too many sides?

not the best pct compounds you have there.

nolva/clomid/proviron is what i'd use out of your choices.

preferrably nolva/aromasin /hcg if possible

[Mulciber]

id go with the nolvadex and clomid..
maybe BP was high causing the headaches..

[VR4]

not the best pct compounds you have there.

nolva/clomid/proviron is what i'd use out of your choices.

preferrably nolva/aromasin/hcg if possible

i have HCG too...didnt think that would apply on such a short cycle.

[petethemanc]

Cut the drol and replace it with dbol (can be just as good) i guarantee you it is the drol. Happened with me as well so i dropped it and replaced it.

[DSM4Life]

Edited

dsm, you can add this to the hall of shame quotes bro

I missed it.

[VR4]

****...now i dont know if i should continue my cycle or not.
how bad would it be if I just stopped everything for a week, then got back on?

I want to see how things go with my gf...if we do break up...im gonna start cycling again.

[Nitro29]

****...now i dont know if i should continue my cycle or not.
how bad would it be if I just stopped everything for a week, then got back on?

I want to see how things go with my gf...if we do break up...im gonna start cycling again.

Now THATS priceless!

[NightWolf]

Lower the NPP, nandy gets me too.

BINGO!
you beat me to it.. Nandrolone does affect a part in the brain that controls
aggressiveness. I myself can fire up very easy when im on nandrolone.