shrinkage

[svalleyg135]

how long into a cycle of test e should your balls start to shrink and/or start getting softer or whatever? my cycle is test e 500mg / week

[smokethedays]

how long into a cycle of test e should your balls start to shrink and/or start getting softer or whatever? my cycle is test e 500mg / week

It differs a lot man, depending on your cycle history and natural production levels but general average about 6-8 weeks into it.

[svalleyg135]

o really alrite

[redz]

If you have a problem with it just take some HCG !

[god-send]

yes hcg will do the trick and i will also help recovery into pct too.

be carefull not to over do the hcg as it can give some people gyno very quickly.

500ius every 4th day from weeks 5 upto week 10,well that works for me anyway.

[boxer08]

Some peoples don't shrink.

[smokethedays]

yes hcg will do the trick and i will also help recovery into pct too.

be carefull not to over do the hcg as it can give some people gyno very quickly.

500ius every 4th day from weeks 5 upto week 10,well that works for me anyway.

[god-send]

whats wrong with running 5 weeks of hcg on a 12 weeks cycle?

[rock75]

yes hcg will do the trick and i will also help recovery into pct too.

be carefull not to over do the hcg as it can give some people gyno very quickly.

500ius every 4th day from weeks 5 upto week 10,well that works for me anyway.

hcg definitly may cause gyno - basically, HCG does not start the natural system start (clomid does) but HCG makes the body believe its natural production his full, thus causing the balls to expand to their normal size - but natural production hasn't begun, BUT since the body believes it has it will also start to produce estrogen to counter the false level of natural test.

[Mulciber]

whats wrong with running 5 weeks of hcg on a 12 weeks cycle?

good question.. i run 500iu a couple times a week for alot longer than 5 weeks.

[Seattle Junk]

Run HCG at 500ius 2X/week up until your last shot of sust. 2 weeks after your last shots (sust + HCG), start clomid/nolva for PCT.

[skinnykenney]

good question.. i run 500iu a couple times a week for alot longer than 5 weeks.

I thought 1000 a week was protocol so I don't know what they are talking about!

[smokethedays]

5 weeks of HCG is calling for a permenant infertility my friend, thats all.

[Mulciber]

what??
can you go into a little more detail on this

[smokethedays]

Supposedly stayin on HCG over 3 weeks can repress the natural production of Gonadotropins for good.
Beside when you r on HCG and during cycle, you are just WASTING money and gaining side effects ONLY.
You are going to get your tests size back and you might gain some of the natty production while on the cycle, but what does that really do for you? Think about it, once yor off and use HCG you'll get the same results, back to normal natural test level.
However, using HCG during cycle will cause this;
1- Higher levels of Estrogen = higher chances of Gyno
2- Lower gains, yes lower gains, because you'll have higher Estorgen racing over the receptors. Using Nolvadex or anyother AI will counter fight that but still, you are losing some gains.
3 A chance of the permenant infertility could be right.

Why risk all that? for bigger boys while on cycle?

[Mulciber]

i understand taking frequent high doses of HCG induces primary hypogonadism (which is permanent) while attempting to treat acquired secondary hypogonadism (which usually is temporary).

at a low dose like 500iu a couple times a week i dont think there would be any worry of infertility or leydig cell desensitization

but also seen it used to treat infertility..

Successful treatment of anabolic steroid -induced azoospermia
Fertil Steril. 2003 Jun;79 Suppl 3:141-3.

Successful treatment of anabolic steroid-induced azoospermia with human chorionic gonadotropin and human menopausal gonadotropin.

Menon DK.

Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology, University Malaya Medical Centre, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

To document for the first time the successful treatment using human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) and human menopausal gonadotropins (hMG) of anabolic steroid-induced azoospermia that was persistent despite 1 year of cessation from steroid use .Clinical case report.Tertiary referral center for infertility.A married couple with primary subfertility secondary to azoospermia and male hypogonadotropic hypogonadism. The husband was a bodybuilder who admitted to have used the anabolic steroids testosterone cypionate , methandrostenolone , oxandrolone, testosterone propionate , oxymetholone, nandrolone decanoate, and methenolone enanthate .Twice-weekly injections of 10,000 IU of hCG (Profasi; Serono) and daily injections of 75 IU of hMG (Humegon; Organon) for 3 months.Semen analyses, pregnancy.Semen analyses returned to normal after 3 months of treatment. The couple conceived spontaneously 7 months later.Steroid-induced azoospermia that is persistent after cessation of steroid use can be treated successfully with hCG and hMG.

[smokethedays]

i understand taking frequent high doses of HCG induces primary hypogonadism (which is permanent) while attempting to treat acquired secondary hypogonadism (which usually is temporary).

at a low dose like 500iu a couple times a week i dont think there would be any worry of infertility or leydig cell desensitization

but also seen it used to treat infertility..

Well, like I said there are no gains from doingthat, absolutley nothin'
The only gain is using it after the cycle.

its like Training on 2 meals a day diet. Nothin' is gained

[Mulciber]

well from my experience recovery post cycle is much easier after running hcg through the cycle..and by running only 500iu you can largely avoid increased estrogenic activity . ehh jmo

[smokethedays]

HCG is VERY debated , ther aren't that many comprehensive studies on it as a part of PAASCT.