1st cycle, please critique!

**Blooddraine** · 09-19-2008, 05:23 PM

What up guys, Ive tried a cycle in the past but was forced to discontinue; anyway here is my new cycle, please critique:

Cycle:
Wk. 1-12 Test Sustanon 250

PCT:
Wk 1-4 Nolva @ 20mg/day
Wk 1-4 Clomid @ 35mg/day

Note: Nolva @ 20mg/day if gyno flares during cycle

Age 20
5'9"
175lbs.
6% body fat
Diet: 2500-3250cal/day (depending on day)

**Blooddraine** · 09-19-2008, 05:27 PM

forgot to mention, sustanon 250 @ 500mg/week (injecting Mon, thurs)

**inky-e** · 09-19-2008, 05:31 PM

Cycle's fine...your pct ...I'd eliminate the clomid and hit adex.

**WARMachine** · 09-19-2008, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by Blooddraine

What up guys, Ive tried a cycle in the past but was forced to discontinue; anyway here is my new cycle, please critique:

Cycle:
Wk. 1-12 Test Sustanon 250 (This is fine.)

PCT:
Wk 1-4 Nolva @ 20mg/day (I run Nolva for 6 weeks)
Wk 1-4 Clomid @ 35mg/day
(I would add an AI but thats just me otherwise this is fine.)

Note: Nolva @ 20mg/day if gyno flares during cycle
(Nolva on cycle is no good IMO. Id use Arimidex instead.)

Age 20
5'9"
175lbs.
6% body fat
Diet: 2500-3250cal/day (depending on day)

Seems like youre good to go

**Blooddraine** · 09-19-2008, 05:42 PM

dont have adex, but have aromasin ... @ 25mg/day?? anyone else have opinion on this??

**MercyDog** · 09-19-2008, 05:42 PM

you'll be a little lean on test your first 2 weeks, unless frontloading

**Blooddraine** · 09-19-2008, 05:44 PM

im not sure i understand why being lean would be a bad thing?? I try to stay lean year round neway...

**WARMachine** · 09-19-2008, 05:45 PM

Aromasin @25mg is good for estrogen control...

I doubt youll have any sides so to speak.

Its your first cycle, and you have very low BF.

Happy cycling brother!

**Blooddraine** · 09-19-2008, 05:46 PM

alright koo thx a lot guys appreciate the help!!

**Blooddraine** · 09-19-2008, 05:54 PM

actually i took your guys' responses and took a look at cbino's post and in the case that i get gyno on cycle i will follow his protocal:

Day 1: .5mg
Day 2: 1mg
Day 3: 1.5mg
Day 4: 2.0mg
Day 5: 2.5mg (stay here 'til gyno is gone)
Day -: 2.0mg
Day -: 1.5mg
Day -: 1.0mg
Day -: 0.5mg
Day -: 0.25mg

Thx again for the help guys!!

**WARMachine** · 09-19-2008, 05:58 PM

Thats a protocal for gyno reversal not what to take on cycle to prevent gyno dude!

**Blooddraine** · 09-19-2008, 06:00 PM

i know, im saying in the event that i get gyno on cycle, that is what i would do.. im not going to take an AI unless if i have to, dont want to limit gains on cycle.

**WARMachine** · 09-19-2008, 06:05 PM

If you see signs of gyno on cycle (puffy nips) then you should start taking the Aromasin .

If the gyno doesnt go away and you get bitch tits by the end of the cycle, then go ahead and run the letro reversal.

But dont run the reversal if you see signs. Run the AI beforehand. and if the gyno stays run the reversal.

got it?

**Blooddraine** · 09-19-2008, 06:12 PM

o alright, just to clarify ill run the aromasin at 25mg/ed til signs are gone.. if signs dont go ill keep running it til the cycle is done and start letro in pct...??

**Blooddraine** · 09-19-2008, 06:14 PM

and if what i said was correct.. what do i do with the nolva and clomid i was initially planning on taking in pct?? run with the letro treatment??

**WARMachine** · 09-19-2008, 06:19 PM

Whoa whoa whoa bro...

You are making things way to complicated...

While on cycle, If signs of gyno appear, run the AI. Continue running it until the sides are gone. If they do not go away, you may want to consider using Letro. (Ill get into using letro on cycle in a minute.)

Now, if you get gyno from the cycle(meaning the gyno didnt go away and now you have bitch tits), then you can run the letro reversal. (And yes, you will still run a PCT. Then run the reversal)

Got me so far?

**Blooddraine** · 09-19-2008, 06:31 PM

ya i got you.. so reversal after pct and AI during cycle if there are signs

**Blooddraine** · 09-19-2008, 06:31 PM

and as far as letro on cycle?

**WARMachine** · 09-19-2008, 06:38 PM

Well if the AI doesnt work, then use Letro.

Now the thing with Letro is, it causes a estrogen rebound effect. So youre gonna have to take it until you start your PCT.

So from the time you stop cycling(day 84) and when you begin your PCT, youve still gotta take the letro.

Now the dose for Letro ON CYCLE is .25mg ED.

**Mulciber** · 09-19-2008, 06:40 PM

everyone has their preferred way of doing things.. if im running an AI im running it from the beginning..to stop the conversion to estrogen..
if im not running an AI and gyno symptoms pop up im running nolvadex .. the circulating estrogen is already present..at this point i want to keep whats there from binding to the receptor.. thus the nolvadex. once symptoms were gone id run it for the remainder of the cycle.
just my take on things

**WARMachine** · 09-19-2008, 06:40 PM

Honestly youll be fine as far as gyno is concerned bro...

If you see some, use the AI. If it doesnt go away, use the Letro.

If it still didnt go away, run the reversal.

It it STILL doesnt go away, talk to a plastic surgeon.

**WARMachine** · 09-19-2008, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by Mulciber

everyone has their preferred way of doing things.. if im running an AI im running it from the beginning..to stop the conversion to estrogen..
if im not running an AI and gyno symptoms pop up im running nolvadex .. the circulating estrogen is already present..at this point i want to keep whats there from binding to the receptor.. thus the nolvadex. once symptoms were gone id run it for the remainder of the cycle.
just my take on things

Thats def one way of doing things. Im not gonna say its wrong or bad cause like you said, everyone has their own opinion on this particular subject.

Im just not a fan of running Nolva on cycle. There are better choices IMO.

Too eachs own though.