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    Arrow 2nd cycle Help plz

    Can any wise athletes give me a hand sorting this please..

    This is going to be my 2nd cycle, the other was test en @500 ew. (not the greatest, poss underdosed..), with proviron , HCG and nolva pct.
    I am a giant @ 5'8" 180lbs 39 yo geeza
    What i aim for is to try and get as near to 200lbs as poss. A lean bulk would be ideal but whatever it takes to get my goal.

    Here's what i've got to play with:

    20ml bottle test En 250
    20 amps Test Enan 250
    8 amps Sust 250 ---- all amps are 1ml/mg (and generic)
    50 tabs of anavar only 10mg
    23 tabs Dbol 50mg
    Ancills - 75 X 25mg Aromasin - 12 x 1500iu Pregnil - 120ml X 2.5mg liq Letro and enough Nolva for another 4 cycles

    If this is all you had (im on a budget), how would you throw it together?

    I'm thinking a simple
    Testosterone @ 500mg EW 12-14 WKs, and
    Dbol @ 30mg ED WK 1-4.
    HCG @300-500 EW (wks 10-14, pct)
    Please help me adjust the AI and / or SERM correctly too. Not sure if to AI on - or off.
    Would anyone frontload the sustanon ? Or save it for another time praps.

    Anyone put this together differently?

    Have thought about running minimum letro ON cycle but i dont know if this is right?
    Thanks guys
    Ps, no clomid sorry..
    Last edited by Bio-boosted; 09-21-2008 at 01:11 PM.

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    You dont need clomid. Its optional.

    That looks fine to me

    Testosterone @ 500mg EW wks 1-12
    Dbol @ 30mg ED wks 1-4.
    HCG @300-500IU's 2xW wks 12-16

    PCT

    You could use the Sus if you wanted too. Personally id wait for another.

    Why do you wanna run Letro throughout the cycle? Are you that prone to gyno?

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    Its OK the way you have it, if you want lean muscle I'd stack some deca or tren with the test. The d-bol is better at 50 mg's split in two a day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bio-boosted View Post
    I'm thinking a simple
    Testosterone @ 500mg EW 12-14 WKs, and
    Dbol @ 30mg ED WK 1-4.
    HCG @300-500 EW (wks 10-14, pct)
    Please help me adjust the AI and / or SERM correctly too. Not sure if to AI on - or off.
    Would anyone frontload the sustanon ? Or save it for another time praps.
    i would save it
    Anyone put this together differently?
    spread the dbol out throughout the day
    Have thought about running minimum letro ON cycle but i dont know if this is right?some people do it, i don't see a point with this cycle though, diet will determine if you bloat alot or not
    Thanks guys
    Ps, no clomid sorry..

    the cycle looks good, but we need to get the diet down, that will determine your gains primarily, lets see it

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    The letro is optional i guess.

    For my PCT before i ran nolva 40 40 20 20... i guess this is fine with the cycle above, but is it a better option to use my Aromasin instead?
    I've read thru the PCT stickys and i just can't work out weather to use a serm or AI..
    I've been led to believe that using an AI 'on' cycle (at a mild dose) is preferable to needing to use it in emergency.
    Do you guys really only use AI during cycle if you've discovered you're gyno prone, is that how itt goes? (sorry bout all the Qs, im slightly confused)
    Thanks everyone

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    I never use AI's on cycle unless i need it...

    Same goes with Letro, i save that for emergencys and when im using Tren .

    I always include an AI in PCT though.

    And no, nolva only PCT is not enough for this cycle. You should add the AI and clomid(which is optional)

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    Diet today is looking like this:-
    m1 cup oats, 40mg pro shake, banana
    m2 200g chicken, sweet pot, cup veg
    m3 220g tuna, cup pasta, cup veg
    Gym PWO shake (40g prot)
    m4 as m2
    m5 300g fish, cup veg
    an odd snack here n there, but not everyday.
    There's plenty of fluids as well, usually tea.. im english lol

    I might be wrong but i think this a pretty lean diet to bullk on, when i get this cycle going i think i may need to add another meal, prob half dozen eggs after b/fast. Also eating 300g chiken rather that 200..
    Any thoughts?

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    Thats plenty of meat but lacking else where IMO.

    get him Phate...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bio-boosted View Post
    Diet today is looking like this:-
    m1 cup oats, 40mg pro shake, banana
    cut out the shake and add 6eggwhites and 2yolks
    m2 200g chicken, sweet pot, cup veg
    not bad
    m3 220g tuna, cup pasta, cup veg
    cut out the pasta and add red potatos
    Gym PWO shake (40g prot)
    you need carbs after your workout, add some sweet potatos
    m4 as m2
    m5 300g fish, cup veg
    if this is your last meal then cut the fish in half and sub in equivalent amount of cottage cheese for slow release of protein throughout the night
    an odd snack here n there, but not everyday.
    There's plenty of fluids as well, usually tea.. im english lol
    try to cut back on the tea as it's a diuretic and will dehydrate you
    I might be wrong but i think this a pretty lean diet to bullk on, when i get this cycle going i think i may need to add another meal, prob half dozen eggs after b/fast. Also eating 300g chiken rather that 200..
    Any thoughts?
    as noted i like the addition of eggs, make sure you have lots of good carbs and protein on hand always

    any other questions on the diet?

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    Thanks for all the advise guys, ive got quite alot out of this thread.

    Just one more tiny Q.. last one lol
    Is my PCT ok like this--
    nolva 40 40 20 20
    Aromasin 25mg ed wk 1-4...?

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    Run aromasin @ 50mg ED not 25...

    And if you intend to just use Nolva and Aromasin, then use the nolva for another 2 weeks...

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    Diamond geezers! Thanks again :-)

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    Diamond geezers?


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    It's a london thing lol

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