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Thread: 2nd cycle Help plz
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09-21-2008, 01:08 PM #1
2nd cycle Help plz
Can any wise athletes give me a hand sorting this please..
This is going to be my 2nd cycle, the other was test en @500 ew. (not the greatest, poss underdosed..), with proviron , HCG and nolva pct.
I am a giant @ 5'8" 180lbs 39 yo geeza
What i aim for is to try and get as near to 200lbs as poss. A lean bulk would be ideal but whatever it takes to get my goal.
Here's what i've got to play with:
20ml bottle test En 250
20 amps Test Enan 250
8 amps Sust 250 ---- all amps are 1ml/mg (and generic)
50 tabs of anavar only 10mg
23 tabs Dbol 50mg
Ancills - 75 X 25mg Aromasin - 12 x 1500iu Pregnil - 120ml X 2.5mg liq Letro and enough Nolva for another 4 cycles
If this is all you had (im on a budget), how would you throw it together?
I'm thinking a simple
Testosterone @ 500mg EW 12-14 WKs, and
Dbol @ 30mg ED WK 1-4.
HCG @300-500 EW (wks 10-14, pct)
Please help me adjust the AI and / or SERM correctly too. Not sure if to AI on - or off.
Would anyone frontload the sustanon ? Or save it for another time praps.
Anyone put this together differently?
Have thought about running minimum letro ON cycle but i dont know if this is right?
Thanks guys
Ps, no clomid sorry..Last edited by Bio-boosted; 09-21-2008 at 01:11 PM.
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09-21-2008, 01:19 PM #2
You dont need clomid. Its optional.
That looks fine to me
Testosterone @ 500mg EW wks 1-12
Dbol @ 30mg ED wks 1-4.
HCG @300-500IU's 2xW wks 12-16
PCT
You could use the Sus if you wanted too. Personally id wait for another.
Why do you wanna run Letro throughout the cycle? Are you that prone to gyno?
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09-21-2008, 01:22 PM #3
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09-21-2008, 01:46 PM #4
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09-21-2008, 03:40 PM #5
The letro is optional i guess.
For my PCT before i ran nolva 40 40 20 20... i guess this is fine with the cycle above, but is it a better option to use my Aromasin instead?
I've read thru the PCT stickys and i just can't work out weather to use a serm or AI..
I've been led to believe that using an AI 'on' cycle (at a mild dose) is preferable to needing to use it in emergency.
Do you guys really only use AI during cycle if you've discovered you're gyno prone, is that how itt goes? (sorry bout all the Qs, im slightly confused)
Thanks everyone
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09-21-2008, 03:51 PM #6
I never use AI's on cycle unless i need it...
Same goes with Letro, i save that for emergencys and when im using Tren .
I always include an AI in PCT though.
And no, nolva only PCT is not enough for this cycle. You should add the AI and clomid(which is optional)
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09-21-2008, 03:52 PM #7
Diet today is looking like this:-
m1 cup oats, 40mg pro shake, banana
m2 200g chicken, sweet pot, cup veg
m3 220g tuna, cup pasta, cup veg
Gym PWO shake (40g prot)
m4 as m2
m5 300g fish, cup veg
an odd snack here n there, but not everyday.
There's plenty of fluids as well, usually tea.. im english lol
I might be wrong but i think this a pretty lean diet to bullk on, when i get this cycle going i think i may need to add another meal, prob half dozen eggs after b/fast. Also eating 300g chiken rather that 200..
Any thoughts?
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09-21-2008, 04:00 PM #8
Thats plenty of meat but lacking else where IMO.
get him Phate...
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09-21-2008, 04:13 PM #9
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09-21-2008, 04:25 PM #10
Thanks for all the advise guys, ive got quite alot out of this thread.
Just one more tiny Q.. last one lol
Is my PCT ok like this--
nolva 40 40 20 20
Aromasin 25mg ed wk 1-4...?
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09-21-2008, 04:27 PM #11
Run aromasin @ 50mg ED not 25...
And if you intend to just use Nolva and Aromasin, then use the nolva for another 2 weeks...
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09-21-2008, 04:37 PM #12
Diamond geezers! Thanks again :-)
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09-21-2008, 04:45 PM #13
Diamond geezers?
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09-21-2008, 04:51 PM #14
It's a london thing lol
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