helios and winny

**1968 chevelle** · 09-21-2008, 09:50 PM

I have helios and some winny which one should i take first ?

**Mulciber** · 09-21-2008, 09:57 PM

what are you trying to accomplish.. guessing dropping some bf.

**1968 chevelle** · 09-22-2008, 01:05 PM

yea to drop a little bf and get a lean hard look

**petethemanc** · 09-23-2008, 11:00 AM

First of all if your dropping bf, then i would add some more gear to the winny, either some var or prop (i would go with prop) or some tren . And use the helios 2 weeks in from your aas. But then its just my opinion bro.

**1968 chevelle** · 09-23-2008, 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by petethemanc

First of all if your dropping bf, then i would add some more gear to the winny, either some var or prop (i would go with prop) or some tren. And use the helios 2 weeks in from your aas. But then its just my opinion bro.

so use the helios before the aas.? I want to harden up so add some tren to the winny ?

**Mulciber** · 09-23-2008, 07:31 PM

what are your stats.. diet alone could probably get you where you want to be..

**1968 chevelle** · 09-23-2008, 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by Mulciber

what are your stats.. diet alone could probably get you where you want to be..

im about 5'8" 190 i do not know my bf %

**WARMachine** · 09-23-2008, 07:38 PM

age
bf%
diet summary/# meals per day
years lifting / workout split
cycle experience
pct/estrogen control knowledge
goals (size/cut/strength/speed etc...)

**1968 chevelle** · 09-23-2008, 07:50 PM

im 20

about 5'8" 195lbs

lifting for about 3 years

i dont have much cycle experience

i dont have any pct experience

ive been trying to bulk up a little bit and im going to keep going for a couple more weeks then i want to cut.

I want to add a some size to my upper body chest arms back sholders. Im a hockey player so im not worried so much about my lower body

**WARMachine** · 09-23-2008, 07:54 PM

Youre too young IMO.

Whats a guess on your BF%? 15? 18?

If you want to bulk more, youre gonna need more than a couple weeks.
Im willing to bet that your goals can easily be met by a better diet and training.

Show me a regular days diet summary/# meals per day.

Include how much the food weighs and macros if you got em'.

Use this kind of format:

EXAMPLE:

Meal 1
8 egg whites
80G's of Oatmeal
Meal 2
6 oz of Tuna
4 oz of mixed veggies
ETC...

**Mulciber** · 09-23-2008, 07:54 PM

so you wanna be a brick from the waist up and some little chicken legs..
like half the guys in my gym.. well, good for me..squat rack is always free..

**WARMachine** · 09-23-2008, 07:56 PM

^^^ LMAO

Im in the same boat...

**smokeyd** · 09-23-2008, 07:58 PM

helios umm nice!!!

**1968 chevelle** · 09-23-2008, 07:59 PM

what im saying is my legs and claves are big and in shape from hockey and plyos

**1968 chevelle** · 09-24-2008, 08:44 PM

bump

**WARMachine** · 09-24-2008, 10:40 PM

What are you bumping for? Post up your diet...

Originally Posted by war4BTT

Youre too young IMO.

Whats a guess on your BF%? 15? 18?

If you want to bulk more, youre gonna need more than a couple weeks.
Im willing to bet that your goals can easily be met by a better diet and training.

Show me a regular days diet summary/# meals per day.

Include how much the food weighs and macros if you got em'.

Use this kind of format:

EXAMPLE:

Meal 1
8 egg whites
80G's of Oatmeal
Meal 2
6 oz of Tuna
4 oz of mixed veggies
ETC...