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    Starting October 1, last min. comments/wisdom needed.

    Age: 22
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    Cycle History:

    Cycle #1 Test E 500mg weeks 1-12
    Clomid/ Nolva

    Not really any side effects. But I did get minor acne from the clomid and mild mood swings.


    Cycle #2 Test E 500mg weeks 1-15
    Tren A 50mg ED weeks 2-9

    PCT was not sent to me and was not done right. I suffered bad acne and really low natty test levels for the next 7 months.

    I have been off 2 years and I am in shape and have been dieting and training for properly.

    Goals:
    Gain 20lbs of lean mass and keep as much as possible.

    Proposed Cycle
    Weeks 1-7 Prop 75mg ED On Hand
    Liquidex (from AR-R ) .25 mg ED

    Proposed PCT
    Days 1-50 Tamox (from AR-R) 20mg ED
    Days 1-28 Clomid (from AR-R) Days 1-14 100mg ED, Days 15-28 50mg ED


    My only question is if clomid is beneficial for me to add in along with tamox? I would have liked to run proviron or aromasin but I dont have those available to me.

    Any comments or corrections would be greatly appreciated.
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    Test/deca with a dbol kickstart.
    Standard bulker should give you 20lb over a 12wk cycle.

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    i allready have the prop bro

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    Quote Originally Posted by A&FGuy View Post
    i allready have the prop bro
    Ok, test p, npp, dbol .

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    So you are running a 7 week pct? Am i reading that right? Tis a bit overkill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JiGGaMaN View Post
    So you are running a 7 week pct? Am i reading that right? Tis a bit overkill.
    Damn, just spotted that jigga, thats serious overkill for a 7wk prop cycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LATS60 View Post
    Damn, just spotted that jigga, thats serious overkill for a 7wk prop cycle.
    Word. My method is as follows: When your balls hurt like hell and come back in size, continue a week after that for good measure and leave it at that. Shouldnt be more than around 2 weeks.

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    I was just doing it for the hell of it because ill have alot of extra tamox otherwise i can run 40mg ed for the first 2 weeks and the 20mg ed for weeks 3 and 4?

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    Dont run Nolva higher than 20... Thats a good dose.

    Just do 4 weeks of nolva and 4 weeks of Clomid...

    I would bump the clomid to 50 for the first 2 weeks and 25 for the last two.

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    only 50 for the first 2 weeks and 25 for weeks 3 and 4 of clomid? Thats not too low?

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    I doubt you're gonna gain 20lbs LEAN mass on 7 weeks of 75mg prop ed.

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    Like I said thats my goal, but I did just change my diet the last two weeks for my cycle and I have allready gained 7lbs.

    4500-5000 calories ED, 380-400 g. of protein ED, 700-800 g. of carbs (90% complex) ED

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    7lbs total mass yes, not lean mass. You know, not that I don't think you couldn't gain quite a lot of lean mass, your body's geared for it (low bf%) and you seem knowledgeable and dedicated, but 20lbs? Nah, I just don't believe me. I hope you'll prove me wrong though, always nice to see people achieve what they want. Best of luck!

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    Good luck... take some before and after pics.

    Always feels good to take a glimpse at the afters 2-3 months later

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    thanks guys, one last thing, which one

    clomid: weeks 1-2 50mg ED weeks 3-4 25mg ED

    or 50mg the whole time, or 100mg ED then 50mg ED?

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    Quote Originally Posted by A&FGuy View Post
    thanks guys, one last thing, which one

    clomid: weeks 1-2 50mg ED weeks 3-4 25mg ED

    or 50mg the whole time, or 100mg ED then 50mg ED?
    Personally I go with 2 tabs (100mg) the first week, then one tab the remaining weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drake Hotel View Post
    Personally I go with 2 tabs (100mg) the first week, then one tab the remaining weeks.
    Agreed, but i'm not a fan of clomid so i'd up the nolva to 40/20/20/20, this alone may be enough of a kickstart for a moderate dose short cycle.

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    Cycle final revision,

    Week 1-7 Prop 75mg ED
    Week 1-7 L-dex .25mg ED

    PCT: Starts 3 days after last shot for 5 weeks

    Nolva 40mgED/20/20/20/20
    Clomid 50mgED/50/25/25

    Does this good, for minimal sides and maximum recovery?

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    I found almost no sides @ 50mg/day. I bumped to 70mg/day and starting to get acne. Looks good though.

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    do you get acne on cycle though? just curious

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    Quote Originally Posted by A&FGuy View Post
    do you get acne on cycle though? just curious
    I thought i just explained that.

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    oh your talking about prop, ok. I thought you were talking about the clomid. I was gonna do 50mg ED for 11 weeks but everyone has been saying that 75mg ED for 7 weeks would be better.

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