Time Between Cycles

[skyhigh]

Hello:

I am about halfway through a 16 week cycle of sustanon 250 as my first. (first in a long time. Did a stupid cycle when I was a young knuckle head.) I am 35 Years old now and have been training on and off for 20 years. The first 6 weeks have been very good and looking forward to the next two months....

How long should I take off after this cycle before I start my next one?


Regards,

S.H.

[Bad Viking]

Should wait 16 weeks + pct time.

[Big]

getting bloodwork befor cycle and after pct is a good way to go, but a general rule is time on + pct = time off.
what is your pct?

[marcus300]

getting bloodwork befor cycle and after pct is a good way to go, but a general rule is time on + pct = time off.
what is your pct?

I would agree with big,

16weeks is a long time and doing longer cycles doesn't always mean more or better gains, sometimes the oppersite

[FullMoonHowlingWolf]

I agree with the Bad Viking, Big, and Marcus especially Marcus's comment on the duration of your cycle. What dosage are you running per week?

[skyhigh]

At week 16 50mg Clomid for 2 week E/D and then
week 18 20mg E/D
Week 19 20mg EOD

The dosage is pretty tame...325mg / week. Sust only. I was an idiot with Dbol when I was younger and scared myself a little so I want to ease into it...

Seems tough to get good advice where i live and the company I keep.

I was flirting with 12 but got advice to stick with the 16week... Only in week 6 right now...

Diet is very good right now, maybe a little short on calories but nice and clean. Running about 2200cal per day 6 meals, eggs, chicken, fish and lean beef, Rice, oats, whole wheat bread (small amounts)

Cardio is about 3 days weights four days.

Thanks

S.H.

[WARMachine]

Dude your only eating 2200 cals a day? How do you grow on that?

I can barely maintain on 3000 cals!

That PCT is horrible.

Clomid only is not enough. At the very least you need nolva!

[skyhigh]

Shi*... Thanks for the heads up...

I lost a bunch of fat before starting the cycle. I was really cutting down on cals and working cardio like a maniac. So... I think I have mucked up my metabolism a little. I have put on some weight...7 lbs in the first 6 weeks. With some good strength gains. Slowly upping my cals so as to not chunk up too much.

See.....You talk to different people and get different answers....You would not believe the advice I got before......

What Kind of dosages should I look at. I have looked throught the PCT and can't quite figure out what would work for this simple cycle as I wnt to keep what I gain but do not want to overdo it either....

I was under the understanding PCT is for "post cycle" unless sign of gyno, ect start to appear then run some during....


I am about 221 10-12 % B.F.

I've got thick skin so fire away....

Regards,

S.H.

[WARMachine]

1-4 Nolva 20mgs
1-4 Clomid 50mgs

For a test only cycle this is basically all you need.

For more advanced cycles, or cycles containing 19-Nors you would be advised to add and AI and possibly HCG to your PCT...


Again i must stress you dont eat enough. And now you tell me your 220lbs!? Dude im around 205 and i eat 4250 cals a day!

[skyhigh]

Thanks....

Just for clarity sake because I want to be sure...

Week 1-4 "after last shot" Nolva 20 mgs ED
Week 1-4 "after last shot" Clomid 50mgs ED.

I have pretty good genes....Dad was a bit of a freak of nature as well as moms dad.....big strong dudes...not too smart though

Nice to get "in touch" with guys who have "been there done that"....

Training hard and motivation is the easy part...

Thanks Again,

S.H.

[WARMachine]

When do yuo think you are starting your PCT? You know you dont start right after your first shot right?

[Jfew44]

I'd cut the cycle down to 12 weeks bro. 16 seems too long IMO

[skyhigh]

after last shot of cycle....ie week 17

[WARMachine]

Drug: Testosterone Propionate
(Initial) Dose: 39mg
Half-life: 2 days
Dose Frequency: Every 2 days
Cycle Length: 112 days
Start Day: 1
Tapered: No

Drug: Testosterone Phenylpropionate
(Initial) Dose: 78mg
Half-life: 3 days
Dose Frequency: Every 2 days
Cycle Length: 112 days
Start Day: 1
Tapered: No

Drug: Testosterone Isocaproate
(Initial) Dose: 78mg
Half-life: 5 days
Dose Frequency: Every 2 days
Cycle Length: 112 days
Start Day: 1
Tapered: No

Drug: Testosterone Decanoate
(Initial) Dose: 130mg
Half-life: 9.5 days
Dose Frequency: Every 2 days
Cycle Length: 112 days
Start Day: 1
Tapered: No





Sure about that?

[FullMoonHowlingWolf]

Dude your only eating 2200 cals a day? How do you grow on that?

I can barely maintain on 3000 cals!

That PCT is horrible.

Clomid only is not enough. At the very least you need nolva!

Whooo! I'm with War on the cals and I'm the same way. You need to eat if you want to grow.

[FullMoonHowlingWolf]

IMO run your cycle 12 weeks and PCT as follows:

Week 1-6 Nolvadex 20mgs/day
Week 1-4 Aromasin 20mgs/day
Week 1-3 Vitamin E 1,000iu/day
Week 1-3 HCG 500iu/day

[WARMachine]

HCG is overkill...

Thats not the right dose for aromasin.

Never go wrong with Vitamin E but again, not a must.

Thats a decent PCT IM bro.


However for this guy i wanted to keep it simple.

[FullMoonHowlingWolf]

Thanks....

Just for clarity sake because I want to be sure...

Week 1-4 "after last shot" Nolva 20 mgs ED
Week 1-4 "after last shot" Clomid 50mgs ED.

I have pretty good genes....Dad was a bit of a freak of nature as well as moms dad.....big strong dudes...not too smart though

Nice to get "in touch" with guys who have "been there done that"....

Training hard and motivation is the easy part...

Thanks Again,

S.H.

IMO I'd drop the Clomid and use 20mgs of Nolvadex which will raise your testosterone levels about 150%. It takes 150 mgs of Clomid to accomplish the same type of elevation in testosterone that 20mgs of Nolvadex will do. Also, Nolvadex has the added benefit of considerably increasing the LH (Leutenizing Hormone) response to LHRH (LH-releasing hormone).

[FullMoonHowlingWolf]

HCG is overkill...

Thats not the right dose for aromasin.

Never go wrong with Vitamin E but again, not a must.

Thats a decent PCT IM bro.


However for this guy i wanted to keep it simple.

I hear ya.

[skyhigh]

Thanks very much guys....

Will keep you updated, if you like, on the progress ... I have some documentation from the start. I will re-calculate what I am eating to see if 2200 is the wrong number. I seem to be eating quite a bit...but that is compared to when I was trying to slim down before the cycle.


Regards,

S.H.

[FullMoonHowlingWolf]

You are welcome and seriously you need to eat more. When you are on this is the time to feed your body so you can blast past your genetic potential. Eat clean every two hours and try getting your calories up to 4000+. How tall are you? I see you said you are 220 10-11% BF, but I didn't see height. Also, add greens to your diet as I didn't see them listed. Keep us posted on your progress.

[WARMachine]

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