how do i know when the test enth and eq have kicked in?

[jiggy]

i am a fighter so i dont lift for max weight. so i cant compare like guys who see a 50lb increase in their max for example.

how do i know when its kicked in? i am going to be doing the first shot of the 4th week this wednesday (shooting every wed n sun).

i have been lifting more weight and felt like i have had more stamina since the first day ive been on it because of the mental change of being on a cycle, but how do i know when it has really taken effect?

[Banelord]

on the 4th week u will go to the gym and everything will be lighter. That when u know.

[Amorphic]

should feel a sex drive increase by weeks 1-2

weeks 5+ you will feel the strength and weight gain

[skinnykenney]

on the 4th week u will go to the gym and everything will be lighter. That when u know.

only takes 1-1.5 weeks on me.
after that 55lbs feels like 40-45lbs

[MuscleScience]

when you get an erection it will curve to the left, thats when you will know.

[Big]

only takes 1-1.5 weeks on me.
after that 55lbs feels like 40-45lbs

on long esters you feel a strength increase in less than 2 weeks?

[Big]

when you get an erection it will curve to the left, thats when you will know.

your left or mine?

[Banelord]

1.5 week for Test E? Come on man u sure about that or it in your head. Test P can belive but not Test E.

[jiggy]

skinny doesnt know shit. hes talking about the mental change u feel. "55's feeling like 45's" isnt really a big strength increase. lol


anyway..

if im still getting muscle soreness the day after lifting, its safe to say it hasnt kicked in yet? most people say muscle soreness never occurs once ur really "on"

[MuscleScience]

your left or mine?

Hmmm, left in anatomical position.

[Banelord]

That is true once your on, forget about it, after a crazy work out, wait 4 hour, u will want to work out again, but don;t u still need the rest. When it hit u friend u will think u are in heaven. It that good.

[skinnykenney]

on long esters you feel a strength increase in less than 2 weeks?

yes sir,
my liver matabolizes a little faster when it comes to aas.
but my liver motabolism is slower to other meds.
the long ester may take 2 weeks for some and 1.5weeks for others and 3weeks for another group.

since my liver is fast i stick to 8week cycles with great results!

[MercyDog]

depends on dosage also, how much are you taking?

At lower doses you may never actually feel any different, at higher doses...........well......you'll know

[jiggy]

test e 500mg/wk, eq 600mg/wk

[Big]

yes sir,
my liver matabolizes a little faster when it comes to aas.
but my liver motabolism is slower to other meds.
the long ester may take 2 weeks for some and 1.5weeks for others and 3weeks for another group.

since my liver is fast i stick to 8week cycles with great results!

so your liver is metabolizing testosterone fast?

[Amorphic]

so your liver is metabolizing testosterone fast?

yeah uhmmm

[skinnykenney]

skinny doesnt know shit. hes talking about the mental change u feel. "55's feeling like 45's" isnt really a big strength increase. lol


anyway..

if im still getting muscle soreness the day after lifting, its safe to say it hasnt kicked in yet? most people say muscle soreness never occurs once ur really "on"

not everyones liver motabolizes anything the same
the numbers are all averaged out. you do not have to take my word. Do research and you will see.
and ask your doctor if everyons liver motabolizes at the same exact rate as everyones does. The answer will be no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

plus i don,t get that mantal strong man feelling either so wrong there also Bro.
I don't ever get a mental change from aas.

and when you are talking about a 195lb six foot one man increasing his sets by 15lbs on curls it is substantial!

anyone would be happy with that increase in a week on each curl and each arm a 15lb increase in 1.5Bro.
now who don,t know ;#%&*!!!!!!!!?

you will make a lot of friends on here with that aproach. LOL!

[skinnykenney]

oh and a week and a half after i went from 3days 2.5 hour workouts to 6-7 days no problem

[jiggy]

i dont even want to respond. lol


anyway.. does anyone have anymore helpful contributions?

[skinnykenney]

yeah uhmmm

yea but it is not good when it is slow in motabolizing meds from the doctor and you end up a zobie and recking your vehicle.LOL!

[skinnykenney]

i dont even want to respond. lol


anyway.. does anyone have anymore helpful contributions?

no, just me LOL!
left yourself open for that one.

[MuscleScience]

Metabolize

[skinnykenney]

so your liver is metabolizing testosterone fast?

yes. you are correct this is common in white people ( 18-20-percent )especialy those with german genes. I am half german and half irish.

[MuscleScience]

yes. you are correct this is common in white people ( 18-20-percent )especialy those with german genes. I am half german and half irish.

What?

Where are you coming up with this?

[MercyDog]

you should feel it in about 3 weeks from start, you sex drive should be better and you should begin bloating. Hands and feet swell some most noticably. You may also be getting restless. At that dose by week 3-4 you should def. feel something different about yourself or you more than likely got burnt.

[skinnykenney]

Metabolize

thanks Bro, i don't know what the hell i would do if i spelled that wrong again!
is misspellink ( LOL!)a word not allowed on this forum?










?

[skinnykenney]

What?

Where are you coming up with this?

STRAIGHT FROM MY PHYCIATRIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
it took me 4 years and 8 med to get this figured out because there is no way to test for it!
did you read all my posts?

[PingPang]

i would say you know your test is good
when you have multiple raging boners
throughout the day and you flog your
bone 3 times per day.

This should be around 1-2 weeks in

It takes longer to build in your blood
for strength gains. About 4-7 weeks

[Big]

STRAIGHT FROM MY PHYCIATRIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

that explains everything.

[skinnykenney]

that explains everything.

Bro come on not you too!
I thought we were on good terms
not very polite to make fun of people because they have axiety issues.Or any other ailment or problem for that fact!
that is very cool of you

[Big]

Bro come on not you too!
I thought we were on good terms
not very polite to make fun of people because they have axiety issues.Or any other ailment or problem for that fact!
that is very cool of you

I wasn't making fun of you bro, I was just hoping that the advice you gave in this thread was intended as a joke, because I would have to stay up all night and miss work to explain in detail how wrong you are about just about everything you said here. I thought your psychiatrist comment was a joke, or I wouldn't have responded the way I did.

[skinnykenney]

I wasn't making fun of you bro, I was just hoping that the advice you gave in this thread was intended as a joke, because I would have to stay up all night and miss work to explain in detail how wrong you are about just about everything you said here. I thought your psychiatrist comment was a joke, or I wouldn't have responded the way I did.

thanks fo explaing your comment!
Bro, are you telling me the dr is wrong? Do I need a different one?LOL!

[Big]

thanks fo explaing your comment!
Bro, are you telling me the dr is wrong? Do I need a different one?LOL!

If your psychiatrist told you that German people's livers typically metabolize testosterone faster than other people, then yes, I would consider changing doctors, for a number of reasons.

[skinnykenney]

If your psychiatrist told you that German people's livers typically metabolize testosterone faster than other people, then yes, I would consider changing doctors, for a number of reasons.

hey big, whats up?
I did not mean all German people. i meant 18-20percent of white people that have german in thier blood have this condition.

so do you think the part about 18-20 percent of white people do not have a condition where the liver metabolizes some meds slower than others? and that it is more common if you have German your genes?
I also asked my regular docter about this and he agreed! ( should I get a new regular DR also?
also do you think that everyones liver responds/performs at the same exact rate?
Thanks a ton for your help!
I would like more info on why you think this is not a medical condition and that it sounds like nonsense.
I did'nt want to believe this myself but both doctors agreed!

all compounds put in your body can't posibly work the same on everyone, can they?I have heard that prescription meds do not do what they are supposed to on 30percent of the population.

I mean, everyones food metabolizm is diferent so I am confused as to why millions of healthy livers all perform the same?

Not arguing at all!
I just would like to have all the info out there on this subject.

anyway thanks for your time and help.
Best wishes Bro!!!!!

[Big]

In fact, Andriol, which is the only recognized oral testosterone, bypasses the first pass through the liver.

[jiggy]

tttttt

[Big]

sorry to get off track on your original question, the first thing I notice is a drastic increase in sex drive. If you haven't noticed that by week 4 or 5 I would start to question the gear.

[MuscleScience]

If your psychiatrist told you that German people's livers typically metabolize testosterone faster than other people, then yes, I would consider changing doctors, for a number of reasons.

I am with big on this one,

[skinnykenney]

tttttt

this should'nt even count as a post.
what the heck is this?

[skinnykenney]

I found this when I googled for a bit ( I did not write the article)

Oral steroids are more difficult for the liver to metabolize
than injectable steroids. Liver cells are damaged as the
liver attempts to break down the oral agents.(3) There are
changes in the structure of the liver with continued use, and the
liver's ability to rid the body of wastes (excretory function) is
decreased.(4) In one type of toxicity, blood-filled pockets
open inside the liver as a result of steroid use. This is known
medically as "peliosis hepatitis," and although rare, is not
restricted to high doses or long-term use of steroids. (2,5,6)

I just found this for you to read.
see the part about orals being more difficult to metabolize than injectable steroids