cycle i ordered

**Mbuffguy** · 09-22-2008, 11:39 PM

ok here it is
weeks 1-12 test E 1,000 mgs
weeks 1-4 orall tren 10G a day
weeks 1-3 test prop how much pain i can take 100 mgs ed or eod
vit b12 1cc ed or eod
letro .625 mg eod (1/4 tab)

pct weeks 1-2
clomid 200mgs
nolva 60mgs
adex 1 g
weeks 3-4
clomid 100
nolva 40mgs
adex 1 g

so opinions???

**jstraw428** · 09-23-2008, 12:26 AM

Why are your doses so high,.....what are your stats? 10g of oral tren , isn't that a lot..... Maybe I am just being conservative.....but I am usually not....

**jstraw428** · 09-23-2008, 12:35 AM

Why are your doses so high,.....what are your stats? 10g of oral tren , isn't that a lot..... Maybe I am just being conservative.....but I am usually not....

**jstraw428** · 09-23-2008, 12:37 AM

Sorry about duplicate posts, I am using my phone right now....just killing some time while waiting at tha hospital with a friend.....

**WARMachine** · 09-23-2008, 01:03 AM

Originally Posted by Mbuffguy

ok here it is
weeks 1-12 test E 1,000 mgs (Why in the hell is this so high?)
weeks 1-4 orall tren 10G a day (Thats a bit much too IMO)
weeks 1-3 test prop how much pain i can take 100 mgs ed or eod (#1 This needs to be pinned ED not EOD. And #2, you know you need to run test THROUGHOUT the cycle when running Tren right?)
vit b12 1cc ed or eod
letro .625 mg eod (1/4 tab) (I assume you mean .25mgs which is good.)

pct weeks 1-2
clomid 200mgs (Youre looking to get lots of nice side effects huh? Lower that to at least 100 if not 50mgs!)
nolva 60mgs (Have you ever done a PCT? Nolva at 20mgs is FINE!)
adex 1 g (Dude youre killing me! Adex and Nolva DONT MIX!!! 86 this!)
weeks 3-4
clomid 100 (If you are smart this should be 25mgs and weeks 1-2 are 50mgs)
nolva 40mgs (Again 20mgs is FINE!)
adex 1 g (I already mentioned this...)

so opinions??? (Yeah i got one, research a little harder next time!)

What kinda research have you done for this crazy cycle? What you wrote was HORRIBLE! sorry, not trying to flame, its just a fact...

HCG and an AI would be good additions to your PCT as well.

Lets see these...

age
height
weight
bf%
diet summary/# meals per day
years lifting / workout split
cycle experience
pct/estrogen control knowledge
goals (size/cut/strength/speed etc...)

**jstraw428** · 09-23-2008, 01:09 AM

I thougt it was a weird/horrible cycle..... Please explain yourself.....
What up war?

**WARMachine** · 09-23-2008, 01:11 AM

Nothing much brother bout you?

Yes, this cycle was not very thought out IMO.

Its just plain not safe. Hes looking at getting HORRIBLE sides from the PCT alone. Not to mention NO sex life thanks to not running Test throughout the cycle.

**jstraw428** · 09-23-2008, 01:33 AM

Never know, could be one of those freaks like bigmax, who is above all coventional rules.....

**Big** · 09-23-2008, 05:15 AM

Originally Posted by Mbuffguy

ok here it is
weeks 1-12 test E 1,000 mgs
weeks 1-4 orall tren 10G a day
weeks 1-3 test prop how much pain i can take 100 mgs ed or eod
vit b12 1cc ed or eod
letro .625 mg eod (1/4 tab)

pct weeks 1-2
clomid 200mgs
nolva 60mgs
adex 1 g
weeks 3-4
clomid 100
nolva 40mgs
adex 1 g

so opinions???

hmm, 10,000mg/day tren might be a bit much lol.
are you 19 yet?

**Freakish** · 09-23-2008, 05:30 AM

jeeez i leave this forum just for the wknd and bro's start doin 10grams of tren a day,tisk tisk lol,yeah id listen to war on this one...he's on the money

**DSM4Life** · 09-23-2008, 05:33 AM

Originally Posted by Mbuffguy

ok here it is
weeks 1-12 test E 1,000 mgs
weeks 1-4 orall tren 10G a day
weeks 1-3 test prop how much pain i can take 100 mgs ed or eod
vit b12 1cc ed or eod
letro .625 mg eod (1/4 tab)

pct weeks 1-2
clomid 200mgs
nolva 60mgs
adex 1 g
weeks 3-4
clomid 100
nolva 40mgs
adex 1 g

so opinions???

**AdamGH** · 09-23-2008, 06:45 AM

I thought mbuffguy was going to do a year round cycle or something before? because he was going to mr Olympia in a couple years. now this....

**Big** · 09-23-2008, 06:50 AM

Guys keep in mind he's 18, (unless he's had a birthday recently).
I'm not slamming you buff, but I think all members your age should have their age listed in their avatar. People tend to see someone here a lot and assume you're old enough to cycle. This is an insane cycle for anyone at any age, but at 18? please.

**Roshambo** · 09-23-2008, 07:13 AM

at 18 you have plenty of test naturally flowing. It would be a terrible decision to use AAS.

**Mbuffguy** · 09-23-2008, 12:03 PM

ok im 19 now
im doing 1,00 mg of test cause idk if it might e under dosed or not . im olny doing 10mg of orall tren ed with 100 mgs of test prop a day too

**Mbuffguy** · 09-23-2008, 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by AdamGH

I thought mbuffguy was going to do a year round cycle or something before? because he was going to mr Olympia in a couple years. now this....

smart ass i never said any of that and competitive BB do bigger cycles than normal gym rats u should know that

**Mbuffguy** · 09-23-2008, 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by war4BTT

What kinda research have you done for this crazy cycle? What you wrote was HORRIBLE! sorry, not trying to flame, its just a fact...

HCG and an AI would be good additions to your PCT as well.

Lets see these...

age
height
weight
bf%
diet summary/# meals per day
years lifting / workout split
cycle experience
pct/estrogen control knowledge
goals (size/cut/strength/speed etc...)

19
6'3
258 rigght now
bf??? pretty low man
im doing 9 a day while on this cycle
6 years 2 years BB
one cycle under my belt
i did pct with 25 mgs nolva and 50 mgs clomid and it wasn't enough
goals BULK 25-35 lbs

**jstraw428** · 09-23-2008, 12:17 PM

I wonder what 10g of tren would feel like......I use about 1000mg of Tren A per week, and i feel like f#cking superman......

**Big** · 09-23-2008, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by Mbuffguy

ok im 19 now
im doing 1,00 mg of test cause idk if it might e under dosed or not . im olny doing 10mg of orall tren ed with 100 mgs of test prop a day too

oral tren ???

**jstraw428** · 09-23-2008, 12:18 PM

So you want to bulk up to about 290........

**jstraw428** · 09-23-2008, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by Big

oral tren???

I am just parroting information, but i heard that oral tren is even more liver toxic that halotestin ...... Why not just get injectable tren.....

**Flex-Appeal** · 09-23-2008, 12:24 PM

just because your a big kid for your age dosent take away from the fact that your 19
IMO if you must juice then do the 1000 mgs of enth alone
More juice does not mean better gains
Sacrifice the rest of the gear and get a better diet to make up for the gains you want

**jstraw428** · 09-23-2008, 12:26 PM

all these kids trying to be the next Trey Brewer.....

**Big** · 09-23-2008, 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by jstraw428

I am just parroting information, but i heard that oral tren is even more liver toxic that halotestin...... Why not just get injectable tren.....

I'm not aware of any actual oral 19nor compounds. I could be wrong, but I'm thinking this is probably one of the many pro-hormones that are clevery named after an actual steroid .

**Mbuffguy** · 09-23-2008, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by jstraw428

So you want to bulk up to about 290........

give or take . sounds good

**Mbuffguy** · 09-23-2008, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by jstraw428

I am just parroting information, but i heard that oral tren is even more liver toxic that halotestin...... Why not just get injectable tren.....

i was gunna do tren E but i have to pay my ****ing registration next month so there goes the 200$ fo the tren . oral trn is cheaper

**Mbuffguy** · 09-23-2008, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by Big

I'm not aware of any actual oral 19nor compounds. I could be wrong, but I'm thinking this is probably one of the many pro-hormones that are clevery named after an actual steroid.

no its the real stuff real aas not xtreme tren hahahah

**Mbuffguy** · 09-23-2008, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by jstraw428

all these kids trying to be the next Trey Brewer.....

if he posted his cycle u guys would all gice him shit too ... your too young trey you've got plenty of test allready

**mod1-4** · 09-23-2008, 12:58 PM

well in his defense he is running test the whole cycle, its a oral trn like a liquid i guess so who knows the dosing, war wrong wrong with arimdex is a ai, he also has letro,dont get me wrong this cycle is to much but never heard arimdex doesnt go with nolva

**Reed** · 09-23-2008, 01:03 PM

Dude don't lie about your bf or make your self sound as though you're better than you really are, you will only hurt yourself. You need to get as far as possible without the use of steroids , and your already going on a gram of test. You will just make it harder on yourself and less likely to make it anywhere in the industry.

Does no one here remember his progress thread that was deleted due to the flaming??

**Big** · 09-23-2008, 01:13 PM

I remember that thread, as well as the ''red t-shirt'' pic that was removed and never replaced with an actual pic showing us what he's working with.
In any event, to use regular tren orally, a much higher dose than one would inject would be required. 10mg/day is just a waste of time.

**jstraw428** · 09-23-2008, 01:37 PM

They Definately have oral tren , and not a prohormone either......if i can find the chemical name for it, i will post it here...

**Mbuffguy** · 09-23-2008, 01:45 PM

the site says 5-10mgs

**DSM4Life** · 09-23-2008, 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by Big

I remember that thread, as well as the ''red t-shirt'' pic that was removed and never replaced with an actual pic showing us what he's working with.
In any event, to use regular tren orally, a much higher dose than one would inject would be required. 10mg/day is just a waste of time.

Oh yeah, he is red t-shirt guy

x2

**Big** · 09-23-2008, 09:18 PM

Originally Posted by Mbuffguy

the site says 5-10mgs

find me something on oral tren from a reputable place that is not trying to sell it. places selling stuff will tell you all kinds of things.

**Big** · 09-23-2008, 09:22 PM

credit to original author Llewellyn:

It would be possible to produce an ethyl ester of trenbolone , however, it would probably not be a worthwhile project. While esterification may effect to oral bioavailability of some (far from all in spite of marketing claims) supplements, with steroids this modification actually has only a minor effect on oral potency. This technology is most applicable with a drug like Andriol , which uses a long-chain ester to solubilize testosterone in oil so that some drug can be absorbed by the lymphatic system, bypassing the liver. A short chain ethyl ester will have little effect on oil solubility, and likewise will give you little boost on oral activity, even if you were to combine it with oil first. In fact, the acetate ester already present on the steroid will probably have about the same (minimal) effect.

But that is not to say you are without hope in your search for “oral tren ”. The fact is that trenbolone, regardless of its ester, is a hormone fairly resistant to breakdown in the liver. This has to do with its other structural modifications (its ring dehydrogenation mainly), which make the steroid a less attractive substrate for certain metabolizing enzymes. As such, some active drug will get through the digestive tract intact and into your blood. So you can indeed take trenbolone orally. The result will be qualitatively very similar to the injectable, albeit the oral will require a much higher dose to reach an equivalent level of effect.

**Big** · 09-23-2008, 09:31 PM

as stated earlier, 10mg/day of tren is a waste, which if taken orally is just a bigger waste. if you choose to believe the ones selling it to you, go for it, but the science doesn't back up the sales pitch.

**Big** · 09-23-2008, 09:44 PM

further research on the product sold in the link you sent shows that they are in fact selling Methyltrienolone , a compound they say is similar to trenbolone . I especially like their phrase "So one could refer to methyltrienolone as oral trenbolone." Sure, you could, but it's not. even more research showed that many places refuse to sell Methyltrienolone because of it's extreme hepatoxicity. Bill Roberts, the biochemist, once commented that taking methyltrienolone made taking insane doses of anadrol and Halotestin together look mild on the liver.
so are you sure at 19 years old you're ready to put this in your system bro? please, I'm doing this for your own good, the research I've done is something you should be doing before even considering any of this.

**Big** · 09-23-2008, 09:47 PM

also check this from the profile, this is the compound you intend to take 10mg/day of:
"People who were in the 2mg/day range developed highly elevated liver enzymes and Jaundice (yellowing of the eyes and skin). They all recovered, and through trial and error, a 500-750mcg dose was found to be (*relatively) safe"...