Still confused after reading and reading.... questions about PCT and 1st cycle

[kloan]

I'm still confused as to what I should take for PCT. This will be my first cycle. I was thinking of doing Test E & Dbol.

Week 1-4 Dbol 30mg ED
Week 1-12 Test E 250mg twice/week (Mon & Thurs)

However, for PCT I'm reading a lot of contradictory info. Some say take Nolva and Clomid 2 weeks after the cycle for 3 or 4 weeks. While others say just take Nolva, and others say take HCG last 3 weeks of cycle and 1st week into PCT.. but if PCT started 2 weeks after cycle, then would that mean HCG for 5 weeks total? Then there are some who say take Nolva and L-dex throughout cycle and into PCT..

Can someone help me understand all this? I've tried reading through the PCT guides, and looked at sample cycles, but honestly I'm still not sure what would be the best way to go for me.

I'd like to hold onto as much gains as possible, while at the same time, I don't want to f*** anything up.

Advice is appreciated!

(EDIT: Forgot this was my 1st post.. been reading the boards so much recently, I felt like I've been here forever! So... hello!)

[Doub1e_J]

I can not give you the answer you want but what I can tell you based on reading is guys many people have differnt opinions and that is why you are the variances.

[MekeMeke]

I am on my pct for that exact cycle except the test e, i did test c, regardless I am sticking to clomid and nolva. HCG is a nice addtion and some will start running it from the last 2 weeks of the cycle right into pct and others run it for the entire cycle. But its not a must.

My PCT is:
wk 1-2 40mg nolva
wk 3-4 20mg nolva
day 1-10 100mg clomid
day 11-28 50mg clomid

[kloan]

My PCT is:
wk 1-2 40mg nolva
wk 3-4 20mg nolva
day 1-10 100mg clomid
day 11-28 50mg clomid

So did you start this 2 weeks after the last shot of test?

[WARMachine]

Drug: Testosterone Enanthate
(Initial) Dose: 250mg
Half-life: 7 days
Dose Frequency: Monday and Thursday
Cycle Length: 84 days
Start Day: 1
Tapered: No

You should begin your PCT when the graph line becomes blue. (Note: The graph serves only as a visual representation, don't rely on it for precise accuracy. Use the Cycle Data for that.)





Id run my PCT for that cycle like this...

Nolva 20mg ED for Weeks 1-6
Clomid 25mg ED for Weeks 1-4
HCG(optional) 500IU's 2xW for Weeks 1-4

And to answer your question, no dont run Nolva on cycle.

If you are concerned about estrogen related sides, run an AI throughout your cycle.


Make it easier?

[kloan]

Thank you! That is very helpful.

One last question regarding the AI during cycle. Can that interfere with the effectiveness of either the dbol or test? Would I just keep it on hand and take if I notice signs of gyno, and discontinue once symptoms subside or just take for entire cycle?

[WARMachine]

It depends...

Are you that concered with Estrogen related sides? If you are, run Adex @ .25mgs ED throughout the cycle until the day before you start PCT.

Then stop use and begin PCT as planned.

Or, take it whenever you see signs of gyno and run it from thereon...

The choice is yours...

[kloan]

Hard to say, I'm not sure if I'm prone to the sides or not. But I definitely don't want any gyno.

You suggest smaller dosages of both nolva and clomid, and keeping them at the same amounts. Is there a reason why?

[WARMachine]

Thats just me personally. I know what my body reacts to.

Most people will run it like this.

50mgs of Clomid 1-2
25mgs of Clomid 3-4

There is nothing wrong with this. Im just personally not a fan of Clomid. I dont use it anymore. (Nolva + AI + HCG = Best PCT for me!)

And many people make the mistake at running it at a dose like 200-300mgs and get very bad side effects from it.

You can do

20mgs of Nolva 1-4
50mgs of Clomid 1-2
25mgs of Clomid 3-4

There is no problem with that.

I prefer
Nolva 20mg ED for Weeks 1-6
Clomid 25mg ED for Weeks 1-4

Drop the Clomid dose and run Nolva longer is the way i go...

Again, many people run this differently...

[kloan]

Nolva + AI + HCG.. what would that look like in a cycle?