First Cycle

[michael tyson]

Ive been working out for about 7 years and have decided to start a test cycle to get over the hump

first off im:
25 yrs old
5'11 180
i consume about 6000 calories a day and keep it as clean as possible
150-200 grams of protein most days. im looking to get up to a solid 210-215.

here is what i want to try for my first cycle:
http://img87.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cyclefe0.jpg
I am choosing the cyp and I intend on doing 25mg of dbol

PCT for cycles 8-16wks:
Day 1-30- .25mg L-dex + 100mg Clomid + 20mg Nolva

Do I really need all three of these for this 'light' of a cycle?

ALSO, if anyone would be cool enough to PM me, I'm having a difficult time locating some of this stuff. Any help is appreciated, thanks a lot guys.

[michael tyson]

bump

[redz]

6000 calories and only 150-200 grams of protein? something is not right here.

I doubt the accuracy of your 6000 calories lay it out for us. To get 6000 calories with that small amount of protein you would be eating this:
200g protein=800calories
1000g carbs=4000 cals
133g Fat=1200 cals

Maybe more fat and less carbs but still that diet makes no sense.

[michael tyson]

6000 calories and only 150-200 grams of protein? something is not right here.

I doubt the accuracy of your 6000 calories lay it out for us. To get 6000 calories with that small amount of protein you would be eating this:
200g protein=800calories
1000g carbs=4000 cals
133g Fat=1200 cals

Maybe more fat and less carbs but still that diet makes no sense.

glad you pointed that out... not sure what i was thinking when i put 6000. I get about 3000-3200 cals a day with roughly 200g of protein. sorry

[redz]

I would sugest you up protein to 350-400g daily and get your calories up over 4000 per day. You will not go from 180 to 210-215 solid in one cycle and even 4000 cals per day is not that high while on. You need to eat alot mroe than you are currently eating.

[michael tyson]

nice, how about the PCT?

[redz]

Clomid might be a little high but I have run similar pcts before looks ok to me.Also test cyp should be ran for 10-12 weeks minimum as it takes 4-6 weeks for it to peak. Wait about 18 days after last injection before starting pct.

[WARMachine]

Adex is no good to take in PCT.

Like Redz said, you need to double check your diet.

You need to run the cycle 10-12 weeks.


Thats too much Clomid. Try 50mgs first two weeks, 25mgs last two weeks.



Test C @250mgs 2xW for 12 weeks
Start PCT 18days after last injection
Nolva 20mgs weeks 1-4
Clomid 50mgs weeks 1-2 25mgs weeks 3-4

[michael tyson]

thanks for the good info. does pm function not exist on this forum?

[michael tyson]

so are you recommending that i cut the dbol out of my plans?
im still having a tough time locating some of this stuff also. thanks

[WARMachine]

You can do dbol @ 25mgs for 4 weeks. There is no problem with that.

Whats your current BF%?

And yes the PM does exist, you just need 25 posts in order to use it.

[michael tyson]

im at about 10% BF right now. I have never been 'fat'

[michael tyson]

its going to take a while to get up to 25 posts. maybe i should take a look around.

[WARMachine]

It shouldnt take more than a day or two.

Go to the diet section and post up your daily diet and see what people think.

Youll get some quality posts.

[LATS60]

My 2cc's worth,
Wk 1-12 250mg cyp 2xwk.
wk1-4 dbol 25mg ED.
Wk 14-18 nolva 40/20/20/20
wk 14-18 clomid 100/50/50/50.

[WARMachine]

^^^ Yep thats cool...

Id go

Nolva: 20/20/20/20

Clomid: 50/50/25/25

Other than that, its all good...

[michael tyson]

what happens if i start seeing signs of gyno before i start my PCT?

[LATS60]

Take 20mg nolva ED.

[Big]

its going to take a while to get up to 25 posts. maybe i should take a look around.

ok, I was trying to figure out why you were just needlessly bumping old threads making dumbass comments, now I see why.
Lets make a deal, stop doing that and you might be allowed to stick around a while.

[WARMachine]

It shouldnt take more than a day or two.

Go to the diet section and post up your daily diet and see what people think.

Youll get some quality posts.

ok, I was trying to figure out why you were just needlessly bumping old threads making dumbass comments, now I see why.
Lets make a deal, stop doing that and you might be allowed to stick around a while.

KChrist, i told you to go post in your diet in the correct section, that way you would get some "QUALITY" posts. Quality being the keyword. Bumping threads that are years old is a sure way to do two things.

1) Piss people off.
2) Get banned or suspended.

[michael tyson]

ok, I was trying to figure out why you were just needlessly bumping old threads making dumbass comments, now I see why.
Lets make a deal, stop doing that and you might be allowed to stick around a while.

sorry, am i allowed to pm moderators without permission? dont want to get booted. i love this place

[michael tyson]

KChrist, i told you to go post in your diet in the correct section, that way you would get some "QUALITY" posts. Quality being the keyword. Bumping threads that are years old is a sure way to do two things.

1) Piss people off.
2) Get banned or suspended.

::runs to the diet section::

[Big]

sorry, am i allowed to pm moderators without permission? dont want to get booted. i love this place

water under the bridge bro, and pm me any time. if you want to just work on post count go to the "postwhore" thread and chat, otherwise try to make your posts contribute to the thread.

[michael tyson]

i could send pm's a second ago. now i cant. wtf

[fit4ever180]

Ive been working out for about 7 years and have decided to start a test cycle to get over the hump

first off im:
25 yrs old
5'11 180
i consume about 6000 calories a day and keep it as clean as possible
150-200 grams of protein most days. im looking to get up to a solid 210-215.

here is what i want to try for my first cycle:
http://img87.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cyclefe0.jpg
I am choosing the cyp and I intend on doing 25mg of dbol

PCT for cycles 8-16wks:
Day 1-30- .25mg L-dex + 100mg Clomid + 20mg Nolva

Do I really need all three of these for this 'light' of a cycle?

ALSO, if anyone would be cool enough to PM me, I'm having a difficult time locating some of this stuff. Any help is appreciated, thanks a lot guys.

6000 calories and only 150-200 grams of protein? something is not right here.

I doubt the accuracy of your 6000 calories lay it out for us. To get 6000 calories with that small amount of protein you would be eating this:
200g protein=800calories
1000g carbs=4000 cals
133g Fat=1200 cals

Maybe more fat and less carbs but still that diet makes no sense.

If you've been training for 7 years at 5'11'' I find it hard to believe you'd only weigh 180... Sounds like you're either a severe ectomorph or just don't eat...

Your diet is definately going to need some work. Listen to redz and do some research, then post up a sample diet in the diet questions forum...


What's up War!

[michael tyson]

So your stats change from thread to thread huh?

These are the stats you posted in your other thread Which test is best?

age: 34
weight: 180
5'11"
BF:15 to 20%
lift on and off for 15years

Which one is it?

Either way there is something wrong imo... You say you've been training 7 year at 5'11'' and you only weigh 180 and still have 10% BF or for 15 years (on and off, must be alot of off) and a 15-20% BF?

If your BF% is really that high (15-20) and you only weigh 180, AAS would not be a good option simply due to your size.

Your diet is definately going to need some work. Listen to redz and do some research, then post up a sample diet in the diet questions forum...


What's up War!

actually this is my only thread.... :ugh:

[WARMachine]

Nvm...

[Big]

So your stats change from thread to thread huh?

These are the stats you posted in your other thread Which test is best?

age: 34
weight: 180
5'11"
BF:15 to 20%
lift on and off for 15years

Which one is it?

Either way there is something wrong imo... You say you've been training 7 year at 5'11'' and you only weigh 180 and still have 10% BF or for 15 years (on and off, must be alot of off) and a 15-20% BF?

If your BF% is really that high (15-20) and you only weigh 180, AAS would not be a good option simply due to your size.

Your diet is definately going to need some work. Listen to redz and do some research, then post up a sample diet in the diet questions forum...


What's up War!

that thread was a different member.
"which test is best" was by "kris13"

[michael tyson]

^^^ WTF?

why has this been happening lately?

I swear if i have to waste my time helping someone who is full of it, rather than helping someone who acutally needs it, im gonna kill someone...

What up Fit? How you been brother?

you really think i would waste my time making 2 accounts on here... in order to WASTE your time??? i starting this cycle asap i just need a little bit more info. this site doesn't have a normal 'pm' function. i can 'email' some people it seems.

[fit4ever180]

that thread was a different member.

your right... my bad... editing my comment right now...

[WARMachine]

Sorry for my earlier post bro...

I just checked you out, that wasnt you, FIT is mistaken...

[Big]

you really think i would waste my time making 2 accounts on here... in order to WASTE your time???

you didn't, but you would be surprised how many have. I've seen guys make multiple accounts and answer their own questions lol, all from the same email and ip address.
I'll let admin know about your pm function, it should have been available at 25 posts.

[WARMachine]

^^ Seriously bro, it happens more than you would think...