whats your opinion of this cycle?

[juicyjlikes269]

first off here is my stats: 27 yo, 180Lbs, 5'9, had bf checked today is 7.1. My cycle exp is with sus 250, test e, deca, dbol. i have run three cycles over the last year and half the first was small and i didn't have a clue what i was doing run sus for 8wks at only 1 ml per week (was give to me with no instructions) next two was for 12 weeks each on was icc of sus250 eod and deca at 500 mg twice a week. the other was test e 750mg per week and deca 600mg per week. i had surgery this summer and lost 20lbs i have put it back on now and getting ready to start this cycle

sus250 wk 1-12 250mg eod
deca wk 1-12 500mg per wk
tren a wk 1-8 150mg eod
anavar wk 1-8 80mg ed

goal is to gain as much strenght as possible stay as lean as i can. i train mma and don't want to get to heavy but want lots of strenght. i lift 6 days aweek with good bit of cardio. diet is in check 4500 - 5000 cal a day 6- 7 meals a day that is clean carbs and lots of protein, most meals are baked or grilled losts of chicken turkey steak and pork loan eggs oatmeal baked potato you get the idea.

thanks for any opinoins on this stack

[MuscleScience]

first off here is my stats: 27 yo, 180Lbs, 5'9, had bf checked today is 7.1. My cycle exp is with sus 250, test e, deca, dbol. i have run three cycles over the last year and half the first was small and i didn't have a clue what i was doing run sus for 8wks at only 1 ml per week (was give to me with no instructions) next two was for 12 weeks each on was icc of sus250 eod and deca at 500 mg twice a week. the other was test e 750mg per week and deca 600mg per week. i had surgery this summer and lost 20lbs i have put it back on now and getting ready to start this cycle

sus250 wk 1-12 250mg eod
deca wk 1-12 500mg per wk
tren a wk 1-8 150mg eod
anavar wk 1-8 80mg ed

goal is to gain as much strenght as possible stay as lean as i can. i train mma and don't want to get to heavy but want lots of strenght. i lift 6 days aweek with good bit of cardio. diet is in check 4500 - 5000 cal a day 6- 7 meals a day that is clean carbs and lots of protein, most meals are baked or grilled losts of chicken turkey steak and pork loan eggs oatmeal baked potato you get the idea.

thanks for any opinoins on this stack

I think your prolactin levels will be through the rizzzoooffff if you run tren and deca together...

[WARMachine]

first off here is my stats: 27 yo, 180Lbs, 5'9, had bf checked today is 7.1. My cycle exp is with sus 250, test e, deca, dbol. i have run three cycles over the last year and half the first was small and i didn't have a clue what i was doing run sus for 8wks at only 1 ml per week (was give to me with no instructions) next two was for 12 weeks each on was icc of sus250 eod and deca at 500 mg twice a week. the other was test e 750mg per week and deca 600mg per week. i had surgery this summer and lost 20lbs i have put it back on now and getting ready to start this cycle

sus250 wk 1-12 250mg eod
deca wk 1-12 500mg per wk
tren a wk 1-8 150mg eod
anavar wk 1-8 80mg ed

goal is to gain as much strenght as possible stay as lean as i can. i train mma and don't want to get to heavy but want lots of strenght. i lift 6 days aweek with good bit of cardio. diet is in check 4500 - 5000 cal a day 6- 7 meals a day that is clean carbs and lots of protein, most meals are baked or grilled losts of chicken turkey steak and pork loan eggs oatmeal baked potato you get the idea.

thanks for any opinoins on this stack

Couple of questions. First off, there are a LOT of people who "train" MMA. There's me and one other person that i know of that actually professionally fight.

So you must just train right?

Secondly, with this cycle, you will put on some weight.

Third, 2 19-Nors in one cycle is generally avoided. You REALLY need to have Letro on hand if you intend to use this crazy cycle.

A few suggestions i have for you.

1) I think Sus is best shot ED. And if you can shoot ED, switch to Prop.
2) Tren A SHOULD be shot ED, not EOD. If you can handle ED injections, switch to Tren E.
3) Deca should be stopped 2 weeks before you end Test.
4) What were you expecting to get out of Anavar stacked with this cycle?

And whats you PCT look like?

[PT]

i dont feel its a crazy cycle by any means and i have personally run tren and deca together many times. of course its not for everyone but i know quite a few who has run them sucsessfully

[jstraw428]

Tren and deca can be sucessfully run with great results, but as PT said, it is not for everyone....i would suggest havin letro and caber on hand if you plan on running this cycle......

I am not a fan of running 2 19-nor together, as i am very gyno prone....and look for ways to avoid it if at all possible....

[DS21]

If it was me, I would drop deca. Tren helps me with strength quite a bit and deca will cause a lot of water weight, so if you are not trying to gain weight it's a compound I would stay away from.

[jc95605]

I agree drop the deca and stick with tren. depending on your diet you can make it a bulking cycle.

[JiGGaMaN]

Switch the anavar to 8-15. also do what jc said.

[WARMachine]

i dont feel its a crazy cycle by any means and i have personally run tren and deca together many times. of course its not for everyone but i know quite a few who has run them sucsessfully

Yeah i know some people have no problem running them together.

I think this cycle is crazy because Tren is a bad drug for anyone who fights MMA, and Deca is probably worse due to how long it takes to get out of your system. And this guy wants to put them together.

If he has no interest in fighting professionally, then Deca is fine.

Training while on Tren is HORRIBLE! At least in a few peoples (mine included) experiences.

[Discipline_1]

Training while on Tren is HORRIBLE! At least in a few peoples (mine included) experiences.

why is this??? please explain...

[WARMachine]

It is extremely hard to train while on Tren because of how harsh a toll Tren takes on your cardio.

I pride myself in never gasing, and when i was on Tren and training full time, i couldnt go 3rds of sparing.

Sure my power was up a little, and i felt a hell of a lot stronger, but you simply cannot last a 3rd fight while on it.

And for a guy whos 5'9 180lbs and 7%BF like the TS, hes already a very muscular individual. Any heavy added muscle always seems to take a toll on hardcore cardio training like i do.

IDK, thats JMO on it...

[rhino1]

maybe change to NPP

other wise that cycle seems a bit heavy too me...

Id say sus, npp, var

[juicyjlikes269]

all i am doing now is training first fight will be in about 6-7 months and not pro there will be no testing i am just doing it cause i like the sport and have a friend who is trying to go pro and he got me into it local fights is all i plan to do. i know i will gain some weight on this cycle and the deca will probably put alot of water on me but thats not really a big deal at this time cause water is easy to loose. as far as cardio goes since i'm not fighting for a half a year not really an issue right now i'm working more tech than anything. i have letro on hand as i do with all my cycles and have source that can get it to me in 2 bus days.

[WARMachine]

Well ive never done Deca... Cant tell you much more than word of mouth...

But Tren is not fun to train on... If you think you can do it, i say Tren is the juice of the Gods!

Best of Luck!

[juicyjlikes269]

what if cycle looks like this

sus 125mg ed weeks 1-15

deca 500mg 2x pw weeks 1-13

tren a 75mg ed weeks 10-15

anavar 40mg ed weeks 10-15


i have enough sus and deca on hand to do this cycle, this why i'm so dead set on using the sus instead of buying more test.

pct will include clomid, nova, letro will this be enough?

[WARMachine]

875mgs of Test a week is ridiculous...

Dude thats a bad cycle and a horrible PCT...

You really need to research more...

[juicyjlikes269]

why is 875mgs of Test a week is ridiculous? everything i've read says 500-1000 is normal. i have never done less than 750 a week and my last was 1000 a week. not trying to be a smart ass cause most of my knowlege on this subject is what i have read so please explain

[WARMachine]

You can easily gain on 500mgs a week... I would do 1000mgs a week on a short burst cycle, but never for 15 weeks!

How can you have done 1000mgs your last cycle and still weigh 180lbs?

BTW, Letro is a HORRIBLE choice for PCT

[jstraw428]

Why do you run your test levels so high? Have you ever tried less test, or have you always dosed it high?

I usually keep my test levels at 500mg per week, no matter how high of doses i am taking of other compounds......

[WARMachine]

What up Jstraw... There are some problems today.. To much bad advice floating around here....

[jstraw428]

I have see that bro......a lot of people chiming in when they have no business answering questions......In one of the the threads, somone told another guy that if he used sust correctly, that there was no reason to get Deca, because it already has it....

Seriously......if you dont know, or are unsure....ask the question yourself, but dont try and blindly lead people through these answers....

[juicyjlikes269]

cause i had surgery a this summer and didn't lift for about 3 and half months and lost a little over twenty pounds i put close to 30 pounds back on with my last cycle some of which was water, i work out doors and sweat alot of weight off it is hard for me to hold weight on always has been i was the kid that never stopped eating and never gained a pound. and yes i have always run my test that high.


on a side note i was 115 when i started my first cycle that was around 18 months ago

[WARMachine]

Dude... Well i doubt youll grow much more naturally...

That was probably not the best idea my friend... You coulve got to at LEAST 170 naturally.

[juicyjlikes269]

not much i can do about it now its water under the bridge. wish i would have waited but didn't really know much about this shit just that everybody i was lifting with had done it so figured why not

[jstraw428]

You were 5'9, and 115lb when you started.........you could have easily gained a lot more weight naturally......
Almost everyone, overestimates what they eat...the only way to really know is to weigh everything and write it down.....I eat the same menu every day, at the same time....this way my diet is really easy to manipulate to reach the goals i desire....

Gaining weight is not only about how manycalories you eat a day, but it also is about what those calories are made up of......

[juicyjlikes269]

anyway thanks for all the advice

[jstraw428]

You were 115lbs and you were lifting.....i would definitely say your diet is keeping you from gaiing weight.....

[WARMachine]

Best of Luck bro!

[juicyjlikes269]

i have learned that i use to eat all the time but it was shit i was eating not healthy at all. now i take my diet alot more serious and eat healthy. my menu is about the same everyday it is hard to eat that much and keep it healthy so i stick to alot of the same stuff from day to day

[juicyjlikes269]

i lifted for 8 weeks when i done my first cycle!!! not very smart i know wish i knew then what i know now!!

[Discipline_1]

I usually keep my test levels at 500mg per week, no matter how high of doses i am taking of other compounds......

i too follow this same concept with my cycles now...
i will never run over 500mg/wk of test again, you will see a lot of experienced users following this idea... i dont see why people seem to think that you have to run test at or higher than your corresponding compound you are running with your stack, i know a lot of lifters at my gym who dont even run higher than 250mg/wk of test with their cycles... and that is while running 600mg/wk of deca or 800mg/wk eq, etc.

pct will include clomid, nova, letro will this be enough?

If you are sticking with that cycle i would run hcg at the second part of your cycle, or at least run it the last 4 weeks of your cycle... that cycle you want to run will defenetly shut you down hard