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    Add VAR to this cycle?

    wk1-12 250mg cyp 2xwk.
    wk14-18 Nolva: 20/20/20/20 ED
    Clomid: 50/50/25/25 ED

    what would be the benefits of adding VAR or tbol to this cycle?

    i also read this from very reliable source:
    ' if one takes testosterone along with a 5AR blocker such as Proscar it's not nearly that harmful for your hair. So, if you are concerned about hairloss and are taking testosterone, always use it along with Proscar. Take into account that DHT is an anti-estrogen and blocking it while your body has supraphysiological levels of testosterone might lead to gynecomastia , so it's advisable to combine Proscar with Arimidex (an aromatase inhibitor).'

    how should i implement Arimidex into this cycle? Thanks guys!

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    Var is a dht so it will make hair loss more likely in theory. Adex can be run on cycle at .25mg eod or ed. Also you can use adex during pct too.

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    Bro,this is your first cycle...you have a test in it...youve mentioned using other compounds and you're very worried about your hair...keep it simple and do the test for 10-12 weeks and see how your body responds..Var is a DHT derivative you;re not safe from hair loss...

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    Quote Originally Posted by redz View Post
    Var is a dht so it will make hair loss more likely in theory. Adex can be run on cycle at .25mg eod or ed. Also you can use adex during pct too.


    Do not use Adex in PCT.

    Adex and Nolva reduce each others effectivness.
    The doses of both must be uped in order to properly work.

    Not worth it, use Proviron or Aromasin in PCT.

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    I have used adex and nolva in pct though they make each other "less effective" it is still superior to run it then have no ai altogether.

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    For a Test only cycle?

    You really think thats necessary?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigmax View Post
    Bro,this is your first cycle...you have a test in it...youve mentioned using other compounds and you're very worried about your hair...keep it simple and do the test for 10-12 weeks and see how your body responds..Var is a DHT derivative you;re not safe from hair loss...
    I am probably just going to do the cyp by itself for 12 weeks then do my PCT. You dont think I should use proscar and an AI just in case though like the guy talks about in the quote i posted above?

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    You can use Adex during cycle if you want.

    Dont use it in PCT.

    If you have MPB, use the Dusta... Go for it...

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    I think clomid/nolva/adex pct is superior to clomid/nolva pct but thats just me. If anything just run slightly higher nolva/ldex doses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by war4BTT View Post
    You can use Adex during cycle if you want.

    Dont use it in PCT.

    If you have MPB, use the Dusta... Go for it...
    use the dusta?? what is that?

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    Dutastride is proscar...

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    NEW CYCLE AS OF 2 SECONDS AGO:

    wk1-12 250mg cyp 2xwk.
    wk14-18 Nolva: 20/20/20/20 ED
    Clomid: 50/50/25/25 ED
    proscar: however much it tells me to take on the box(throughout the cycle and pct?)

    Since proscar blocks DHT and DHT is anti-estrongen, I need to add an AI right? where do i add this AI? and do i still need both clomid and nolva? sorry guys, people are throwing me through loops here.

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    Dusta blocks the formation of DHT on your head...

    You dont need to run an AI. If you want to, it will not hurt.

    Adex @ .25mgs EOD will be fine. Continue use until the day before PCT. Then discontinue use.

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    what is best to have on hand to take if i experience nipple soreness during my cycle? I absolutely CANNOT get gyno

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    wk1-12 250mg CYP 2x wk.
    wk1-14 Adex @ .25mgs EOD
    wk14-18 Nolva: 20/20/20/20 ED , Clomid: 50/50/25/25 ED
    wk1-18 Proscar ED

    think we're on to something here...

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    Sounds fine to me...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kchrist View Post
    what is best to have on hand to take if i experience nipple soreness during my cycle? I absolutely CANNOT get gyno
    can i get an answer to this question?

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    Adex bro...

    .25mg EOD or ED... If you are that worried about it.

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    here is what ive got now

    wk1-12 250mg CYP 2x wk.
    wk14-18 Nolva: 20/20/20/20 ED
    Clomid: 50/50/25/25 ED
    wk1-18 Proscar ED

    which should i buy and have on hand in case of gyno... adex or letro?

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    adex is sufficient for this cycle bro...

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    Dutasteride

    Quote Originally Posted by war4BTT View Post
    Dutastride is proscar...
    Wrong WAR4BTT, Dutasteride is Avodart, not Proscar(finasteride). Both are inhibitors of steroid type II 5a-reductase, an enzyme that converts testosterone into DHT. According to info in the PDR(physicians desk reference), finasteride works only on type II 5ar. This type II accumulates mostly in the prostate gland. There is also a type I 5ar that accumulates in the liver and the skin. Avodart(dutasteride) works on type I and type II 5ar. It seems like it could be a cure for baldness, but there has been no research on this. Both drugs were developed to shrink an enlarged prostate gland. By the way Avodart is expensive, $120 for 30 pills at Wall Mart pharmacy.

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    yeah youre right... Sorry bro, Finasteride is proscar...

    I got them mixed up...

    Thanks for clearing it up...

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    Finasteride was approved initially in 1992 as Proscar, a treatment for prostate enlargement, but the sponsor had studied 1 mg of finasteride and demonstrated hair growth in male pattern hair loss. On December 22, 1997, the USFDA approved finasteride to treat male pattern hair loss.

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    propecia( a 1 mg form of proscar) is prescribed for male pattern baldness

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    not sure what to believe. i must go read more

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    Quote Originally Posted by kchrist View Post
    not sure what to believe. i must go read more
    That will probably confuse you more bro...

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