First cycle

[jm21]

Hey what yopu guys think of this for 1st cycle

Age 24
height 6ft
weight 12.9st
Bf% 14
Training 4 years

12 weeks 1ml p/w at 250mg/ml
tamoxifen tabs 1 daily as anti estrogen

Hcg after cycle followed by clomid for 3 weeks

Then clenbuterol 2 weeks on 2 weeks off for total of 6 weeks on?

Aims put on extra size and the clen to cut in and take away any fat i might of gained during

Training 4 sets 6 with a burn out for each muscle group at end of work out

Diet high carb, protein and calorie low fat ?

Comments?

[god-send]

up the test to 500mgs ew

no need for nolva untill/if you see sings of gyno.(20mgs ed)

no need for hcg imo

clomid 100/100/50/50

nolva 20/20/20/20

not sure on clen

[redz]

12 weeks 1ml p/w at 250mg/ml

What compound?

tamoxifen tabs 1 daily as anti estrogen

Save them for pct or if gyno signs appear
Not really a great cycle even assuming the first compound is test. Test should be run at 400-500mg/weekly minimum split into 2 injections weekly.

[jm21]

Yeah sorry bout that its test ethanate
What would you improve?

[redz]

-Double the test to 500mg/week
-add an ai to your pct

[god-send]

weeks 1-12 500mgs test e split into 2 shots 1ml mon and 1ml thurs

weeks 14-18 clomid week 1-100mgs ed/ week 2 100mgs ed/ week 3 50mgs ed/ week 4 50mgs ed

nolva 20mgs ed for 4 weeks.


maybe could add dbol for the first 4 weeks of your cycle @ 30-35 mgs ed .

keep nolva on hand for gyno probs whilst on cycle.

could also get an a,i to control bloat whilst on cycle and for pct (good clean diet and lots of warter should be the main factor of bloat)

[WARMachine]

^^^ I agree with everything accept Nolva on cycle...

An AI is better to use on cycle... Although some people like the nolva...

[jm21]

Am i right in beleiving nola and tamoxifen are the same thing? shouldnt i take the nolve after say 4 weeks as a precaution i do not want to risk gyno!

So a clean diet and high water intake will be important during course i know the diet is but high ater intake?

[WARMachine]

yes they are the same thing...


An AI taken on cycle is better to conrtol estrogen without risking a loss of gains

[god-send]

yes nolva and tamoxifem are the same thing bud

[jm21]

lol cheers id rather take the nolva on cycle to prevent the risk of gyno
Will this be fine maybe start it after 4 weeks?

[redz]

Nolva will reduce your gains dont take it unless needed.

[jm21]

Will a 21 gauge 1 inch needle be good enough?

[WARMachine]

Not for glutes...

[redz]

I sugest 23g 1.5" for glutes. I use 25G 1" for everything else.

[jm21]

i got 23 gauge 1 1/4 im going to do it in my quads

[redz]

Quads are my favourite you dont need to sink the 1.25" pin just go in 1".