Cycle help

**cobra4.6L** · 10-02-2008, 11:51 AM

this is the cycle i am planning on doing and i would just like some feedback on whether i have all my bases covered or not. I dont feel like posting stats or anything like that. Everything from cradio to diet is in check. I just wanted to run a simple cutting cycle before i bulk in the winter.

Week 1-8 Test Prop (100mg eod)
Week 1-8 T3 (Taper'd up and down)

PCT
Week 1-3 Clomid (25mg ed)
Week 1-6 Amiridex (.5mg ed)

**WARMachine** · 10-02-2008, 12:03 PM

Need Nolva in the PCT and get rid of the Adex...

Prop should be shot ED not EOD. If you cant handle ED injections switch to C or E.

Also, i need stats...

age
height
weight
bf%
FULL diet summary/# meals per day
years lifting / workout split
cycle experience
pct/estrogen control knowledge
goals (size/cut/strength/speed etc...)

**jstraw428** · 10-02-2008, 12:13 PM

What up War....you doing alrigt today.....i see your blowing up the boards already today...

**jstraw428** · 10-02-2008, 12:14 PM

And come on War, didnt you read......He doesnt want to post his stats, and diet bc he knows everything is in check....READ BROTHA!!!!!! LOL HA HA

**WARMachine** · 10-02-2008, 12:15 PM

yeah, im bored as hell... Im kinda sick, i ate some Indian food the other day...

Good food, but uhhh...

Im off for the day, got to open my gym, now im just chilling in the loft...

Gonna have my Blue belts teach today, i feel like crap...

**Reed** · 10-02-2008, 12:17 PM

What up jstraw.

Cobra you should post stats so we can further assess what needs to be done. Running a cycle can have negative effects if you are in a certain range. We are here to help

**cobra4.6L** · 10-02-2008, 02:15 PM

alright, here are the stats but, keep in mind i am pretty dead set on doing this cycle, the purpose of this post was to ensure i was using proper PCT. I want to loose BF and retain as much muscle as possible. I do not know if i am prone to gyno so i was thinking about running .5 mg of a-dex through the entire cycle just to be safe.

Stats are:
24 yrs old
190 lbs
13-15% BF
Training seriousy for past year and half but, have trained for 5 yrs.

**WARMachine** · 10-02-2008, 02:19 PM

Stats seem fine to me... BF% a lil high but not bad...

i would suggest .25mgs ED... No need for .5...

That and my previous recommendations.

You need Nolva in the PCT and get rid of the Adex...

Prop should be shot ED not EOD. If you cant handle ED injections switch to C or E.

**cobra4.6L** · 10-02-2008, 02:24 PM

so i would do 50 mg ED of prop. what would the Nolva/clomid look like in PCT?

**WARMachine** · 10-02-2008, 02:26 PM

Yes 50mgs of Prop ED...

and it should look like this...

Nolva - 20/20/20/20
Clomid - 50/50/25/25

Some people will use more Clomid, which is not needed. 50mgs and tapered to 25mgs is perfect IMO.

**cobra4.6L** · 10-03-2008, 12:29 PM

what about HCG , 500iu 2x week to prevent my natural test production from completely shuting down

**WARMachine** · 10-03-2008, 12:42 PM

I dont like to run it for the whole cycle...

I do the last 2 weeks of the cycle and first 2 weeks of PCT...

Thats just me, some guys will SWEAR by using it through cycle, halfway through cycle, in the PCT only... ETC..

**cobra4.6L** · 10-03-2008, 12:46 PM

if i wanted to use it through the entire cycle just ot be safe would there be any downside to that?

**cobra4.6L** · 10-03-2008, 12:46 PM

btw, thanks to everyone that gave there input. Its really appreciated!

**jstraw428** · 10-03-2008, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by cobra4.6L

if i wanted to use it through the entire cycle just ot be safe would there be any downside to that?

I use it my entire cycle.....250iu 2x week.....then 3 weeks before the end of my cycle, i bump it up to 500iu eod......Stop HCG on first day of PCT.....

This is how i do it.....

**cobra4.6L** · 10-04-2008, 12:03 AM

is there anything in pill form that i could replace the prop with? i was thinking i just want this to be a hassle free cycle. i dont want to have to worry about injecting ed or pct if i dont have to

**Reed** · 10-04-2008, 12:23 AM

Thats not going to happen with the PCT and look into a long ester such as E or C if your not looking to inject ed or eod. You can do the Prop eod if need be just double up the dose. 100mg eod. PCT is a must if you'd would like to stimulate the HPTA so it begins to produce test normally while keeping estrogen levels low thereby preserving the muscle and strength gains made and minimizing side effects such as decreased libido, depression and gyno.

If this is all too much look into an OTC test booster such as 6 oxo or Novadex XT and adjusting your diet accordingly to cut the bf. The gains on the OTC products of course won't be anything like 500mgs of test a week but it will give you an edge. Sounds like you may not be ready yet. No need to rush into these things if your not mentally sure. You have time. Do you have a certain goal you would like to accomplish by running cycles? MMA, bodybuilding, sports etc????