Beginner cycle critique

[clartay]

Looking for some help on my first cycle, did some looking around on here and this is what i came up with,

Test Enanthate 500 mg wks 1-12/ proviron 50 mg ED wks 1-17/ Nolva 20 mg ED wks 13-18/ HCG 500 iu ED wks 13-15/ Vitamin E 1000 iu ED wks 13-15.

Is this is a good beginner cycle for building decent mass? Is that much proviron a good idea? Thats my biggest concern as its very expensive and i don't wanna waste my money. Any help at all would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

[WARMachine]

Need some stats first...

age
height
weight
bf%
diet summary/# meals per day
years lifting / workout split
cycle experience
pct/estrogen control knowledge
goals (size/cut/strength/speed etc...)


I would run that cycle like this...

Test E @ 250mgs 2xW for 12 weeks.
(If you are concerned about estro related sides) Run Adex @ .25mgs EOD.

PCT looks like this...

Nolva - 20/20/20/20
Clomid - 50/50/25/25

HCG is overkill for this cycle... Wont hurt though...

[clartay]

Stats:

21
6 ft
180 lbs
bf % not sure would guess 12-14% or so judging by the mirror
I eat a very clean diet, 5 meals per day, follow a lot of berardi's principles

I've been lifting for about 2 years, three years off and on, I know what your thinking if my diet is in check and I'm lifting properly i should have a lot of natural growth left, I train BJJ 3 times a week and box 2-3 times a week, and i believe as a result i'm having a very difficult time gaining weight. I do my own variation of the westside barbell routine, more of a powerlifting routine than a bodybuilding one.

I have no cycle experience this would be my first, PCT and estrogen control is my biggest concern it has been the most confusing part of all of this, I've read Pheendo's and Anthony Robert's PCT and came up with this but some actual real time assistance would be great.

Goals for this cycle are mass and strength gains

[helium3]

Stats:

21
6 ft
180 lbs
bf % not sure would guess 12-14% or so judging by the mirror
I eat a very clean diet, 5 meals per day, follow a lot of berardi's principles

I've been lifting for about 2 years, three years off and on, I know what your thinking if my diet is in check and I'm lifting properly i should have a lot of natural growth left, I train BJJ 3 times a week and box 2-3 times a week, and i believe as a result i'm having a very difficult time gaining weight. I do my own variation of the westside barbell routine, more of a powerlifting routine than a bodybuilding one.


enjoy your first, its the best.
I have no cycle experience this would be my first, PCT and estrogen control is my biggest concern it has been the most confusing part of all of this, I've read Pheendo's and Anthony Robert's PCT and came up with this but some actual real time assistance would be great.

Goals for this cycle are mass and strength gains

yeah youll gain loads off your first cycle so save the proviron.

hcg is ok but i think its overkill for your first, you should bounce back fine with the nolva. if anything you could run an ai like arimadex or letro to keep gyno in check. however nolva usually does the trick as far as gyno is concerned.

[clartay]

yeah youll gain loads off your first cycle so save the proviron.

hcg is ok but i think its overkill for your first, you should bounce back fine with the nolva. if anything you could run an ai like arimadex or letro to keep gyno in check. however nolva usually does the trick as far as gyno is concerned.

so if i were to use arimidex would i take 25mg EOD throughout the length of the cycle and PCT?

[clartay]

Would i be correct in saying BTT is for brazilian top team? Judging by the pic of Rio

[vishus]

i agree with war, stick to the test e 250mg 2x inj weekly, and forget the proviron. if this is your first cycle i wouldnt try to worry about the exotic drugs just yet, go through a cycle or two and then you can start looking at the exotics. and folllow war's advice on the l-dex, its cheap and itll help with estrogen if youre really concerned.

[clartay]

quick bump

[clartay]

This is my revised cycle let me know what you think, Im hoping to make my purchase tonight so it would be much appreciated.

Test E 250 mg 2xwk wks 1-12/ Arimidex 25mg EOD wks 1-12/ Nolva 20mg ED wks 13-16/ Clomid 50 mg ED wks 13-14-25mg wks 15-16/ HCG 500iu ED wks 13-15/ Vitamin E 1000iu wks 13-15

Should I run more arimidex? should I run it post cycle as well? Is 4 weeks enough time for proper PCT or should I extend to 6 weeks, I'm not worried about money when it comes to my nuts and sex. Thanks Guys, Huge help so far

[WARMachine]

Ok its .25 mgs not 25mgs...

And no, you do not use it in PCT... Adex and Nolva reduce each others effectivness...

4weeks is fine, if you like you can run the nolva for 6 weeks...


Otherwise all that looks good.


btw, yes, BTT is Brazilian Top Team...

Nice avy, better hope Randy reads that front to back for his next fight.

[clartay]

Oops meant .25 mg, thanks a lot War youve been a tremendous help, And you've got that right about Randy.

[WARMachine]

^^ Edit that bro... Never ask for a source for anything... It leaves you open for scammers...

Now, you cannot PM till you get 25 posts, and you can easily find Adex from our board sponsers Ar-r.com


Best of Luck bro, take a look at the fighting section sometime, we talk MMA everyday.

[clartay]

http://www.ar-r.com/shop/product_inf...roducts_id=129 that should cover me then? Thanks again war. This site is A1

[WARMachine]

yeah if you need the Clomid and Nolva too... Thats it!

[clartay]

great! thanks!