First cycle please critique

[listerine]

age 21, weight 188, BF 10.1%, training exp 3.5 yrs, height 6'1

Goal is to lean bulk and be 20-25 pounds heavier after PCT

Cycle
Week 1-4 M-drol (superdrol clone) 30mg ED
Week 1-10 Test E 500mg EW
Week 1-10 EQ 400mg EW
Week 1-12 Letro .25-.5mg ED (gyno prone cause had it for about a year when i was 16)

PCT
Clomid 50/50/25/25
Nolvadex 40/40/20/20

[Big]

Personally I feel that is too many compounds for a first cycle.

[LATS60]

Personally I feel that is too many compounds for a first cycle.

I agree, whats wrong with a nice simple test cycle at a moderate dose for 10-12 wks?
Answer= nothing, it's a great 1st cycle because it works time and time again.

[listerine]

but when i read logs in the result forum people generally had more gains after PCT adding a compound or two than people just going with test e

[LATS60]

but when i read logs in the result forum people generally had more gains after PCT adding a compound or two than people just going with test e

Generally, thats the key word, this is a sweeping statement, gains kept after PCT are dependant not on the stack used, but on the individual.
You can't draw a comparison from someones log on a stack and someone elses log on test only cycles, simply because there's no constant to use that will formulate a comparison.

[listerine]

what if i ran m-drol for 6 weeks instead at 30mg and use test 500mg EW for 10 weeks and don't use EQ at all

[god-send]

weeks 1-4 35mgs dbol ed

weeks 1-12 500mgs test e ew

weeks 14-18 50mgs prov ed

weeks 14-18 20mgs nolva ed

thats i would do .

i hate clomid and the sides ,makes me feel funny even at low doseage.

[LATS60]

weeks 1-4 35mgs dbol ed

weeks 1-12 500mgs test e ew

weeks 14-18 50mgs prov ed

weeks 14-18 20mgs nolva ed

thats i would do .

i hate clomid and the sides ,makes me feel funny even at low doseage.

I respect your opinion mate, but i don't see that PCT as adequate after a 12wk cycle. All youv'e really got is nolva @ 20mg ED for 4 wks.
Proviron isn't a PCT drug and will have no benefits in kickstarting your HPTA, to do this you need drugs that act upon the estrogen receptors in the hypothalmus, proviron doesn't, it's just a mild androgenic steroid with anti aromatase properties.

Most studies on mesterolone show that it may actually hinder recovery, even though it's hardly suppressive of HPTA function in normal males, the point really is that it's a DHT, albeit synthetic, thats not something you would want to be running during PCT, imo.

[listerine]

i was gonna run dbol at first but i don't want all the bloat and i heard the estrogenic side effects are worse than m-drol and i think they're about just as harsh on the liver

[blake.varhaug]

6'1 and 188 lbs? i would just stick with a test cycle man

[vishus]

i agree with the others, too many compounds for first cycle. i know a lot of noobies want to just jump in the deep end right away and blow up as fast as they can, but in reality its a slow, slow process. you got to start at the bottom and work your way up, stick to the basics. if you're worried about water throw in some a-dex .25mg EOD while on your cycle

[PT]

what is m-drol? is that some kind of supp?

[god-send]

^^^^^^^^^^ yer i see your point mate .

[listerine]

m-drol is a superdrol clone

[listerine]

what if instead i (as i posted above) did this instead

Week 1-6 m-drol 30mg ED (superdrol clone)
Week 1-10 Test E 500mg Ew
Week 1-12 Letro .25 mg ED

[LATS60]

what if instead i (as i posted above) did this instead

Week 1-6 don't use any PH crap.
Week 1-10 Test E 500mg Ew
Week 1-12 Letro .25 mg ED

Umm, i like it better my way.

PS far to much letro.

[listerine]

would dbol be better than superdrol for a lean bulk then

[LATS60]

would dbol be better than superdrol for a lean bulk then

Thats JMO mate, i'd go wks 1-4 dbol @ 30 ED, i'm biased though, i detest this so called prohormone, prosteroid, designer drug culture, maybe i'm just getting old lol.

[god-send]

^^^^^^^^^ diet will be the main factor here not the compound.

[listerine]

oh cause i've heard good things about superdrol that you get little to no bloat and you can gain 7-12 pounds and shed a bit of bodyfat even and the gains are maintainable

[listerine]

what if i replaced the m-drol with tbol 50mg ED for 4 weeks and stacked it with the EQ and teste e

[god-send]

looks better.

[listerine]

Sorry i can't just make up my mind but i was reading up on tbol and people were saying tbol at 4 weeks is worthless so would it make much of a difference if i just left it at

Week 1-10: Test E 500mg EW
Week 1-10: EQ 400mg EW