effective cycle?

[wakeskate22]

i was wondering if a stack of primobolan and m1t would be an effective stack for a bulking cycle.. i know many people are against m1t but i have done as much research i can on this cycle and im pretty sure i got everything covered.. just was lookin for some input. thanks

[god-send]

stats please.

[wakeskate22]

age: 21
height: 6'2
weight: 175
bf%: around 10
experience: 3 years lifting
- first cycle

anything else?

[god-send]

age: 21
height: 6'2
weight: 175
bf%: around 10
experience: 3 years lifting
- first cycle

anything else?

6,2 and 175lbs=you need to get the diet sorted as your not ready for aas yet.

by the way your cycle is a poor one at that.

[wakeskate22]

my diet is in check. eat about 6 times a day roughly 2500- 3000 calories. just a hard gainer. but okay thanks for being so blunt? that doesn't tell me anything.. im looking for input thanks

[god-send]

2500 calories is no were near what you need to bulk

try 4500-5000.

to answer your question your cycle is crap.

["Maximus"]

Definitely, you have a lot of room to cover in the diet department. Plus, you're a bit young still and w/3 yrs of lifting under your belt... definitely you can improve yourself a lot more naturally by exercising and eating better.

What's your diet/workout routine for a single day? Please break things up and provide macros as much as you can!

["Maximus"]

Primobolan /M1T for a first cycle (any cycle) is not a wise choice, unless you know what you're doing, do you? I'm not being an ass, rather I'm trying to help you see that at this moment you don't REALLY need nor you're body is completely ready for aas, just my opinion.. I could be wrong.

[god-send]

^^^^^^^^^^^^ agree were here too help you make the right choice in what you do thats why we need stats and any other info that will help us point you in the right direction.

what made you go with primo and m1t?

[DEVLDOG]

Drop the primo, go get yourself some test! first cycle or 100th cycle,you want to run test in some shape or form. since its your 1st cycle, 500mg/week should put some nice size on you,run it atleast 16 weeks and then decide from there what you want to do.and eat man, 3000 calories isnt sh!t. you gotta eat for how big you want to be not how big you are or you'll never grow,the bigger you get the more you need to eat to continue to grow.
goodluck

if yo uneed any help just pm me,Ill hook you up with the right info

[wakeskate22]

ok. now thats better input.. ill up my calories.. why do you say this is a crap cycle? cuz its orals? mm high protein breakfast in the morning with eggs and peanut butter toast about 8. then eat again about 10ish with some oatmeal, protein shake. for lunch eat lots of rice normally with some kinda of meat.. chicken, steak, etc. then eat again about 2 or 3 again with some kind of soup like cream of chicken or something with some more eggs like egg sandwiches but might run into meal 5 as i am in class.. so have some protein bars on hand. after class go to gym for roughly hour an half to 2 hours. then go home have a hearty meal with usually some potatos, meat, vegetables.. do i just need to eat some more of the what i already have?

[wakeskate22]

and i went with primo/m1t cuz one of the guys i lift with uses a primo/winny hybrid which it actually is and he loves it.. and he told me m1t would be a good bulking cycle

[vishus]

Drop the primo, go get yourself some test! first cycle or 100th cycle,you want to run test in some shape or form. since its your 1st cycle, 500mg/week should put some nice size on you,run it atleast 16 weeks and then decide from there what you want to do.and eat man, 3000 calories isnt sh!t. you gotta eat for how big you want to be not how big you are or you'll never grow,the bigger you get the more you need to eat to continue to grow.
goodluck

if yo uneed any help just pm me,Ill hook you up with the right info

i agree with DEVLDOG, definitely drop the primo for bulk. its used for pre-contest mostly, and as far as calories, your diet looks pretty clean, but you need MUCH MORE of it. keep the calories clean and keep shovin em down the throat. the only way you grow is by food, notthing else

[wakeskate22]

yeh and i heard that its used for that but the guy told me it would be a good idea to warm up to the m1t with by kinda getting my body used to it in a sense.. does that actually make sense on his part? i was gonna start primo for two weeks prior to m1t and then taper in m1t to it..

[god-send]

Drop the primo, go get yourself some test! first cycle or 100th cycle,you want to run test in some shape or form. since its your 1st cycle, 500mg/week should put some nice size on you,run it atleast 16 weeks and then decide from there what you want to do.and eat man, 3000 calories isnt sh!t. you gotta eat for how big you want to be not how big you are or you'll never grow,the bigger you get the more you need to eat to continue to grow.
goodluck

if yo uneed any help just pm me,Ill hook you up with the right info

so 6,2 175lbs and test at 500mgs ew for AT LEAST 16 WEEKS.

[DEVLDOG]

so 6,2 175lbs and test at 500mgs ew for AT LEAST 16 WEEKS.

why not

im 6'2 292, i love test, have taken up to 5g a week...500mg isnt sh!t

[wakeskate22]

i think for first cycle i would rather just stick to orals though before i get into the needs.. just personal preferance

[god-send]

i think telling a guy who hasent even got his diet right to run a 16 weeker is dam right crazy.

[DEVLDOG]

i think telling a guy who hasent even got his diet right to run a 16 weeker is dam right crazy.

Diet?

when buliking thats a no brainer "eat everything you can get your hands on..period" esp at his weight and age,he'll burn it off as he is eating it.

500mg for 16 weeks,is nothing,even as a first "cycle"if you think it is you need to do some research yourself,or ask yourself what your own goals are and what your willing to do to attain then!

[god-send]

Diet?

when buliking thats a no brainer "eat everything you can get your hands on..period" esp at his weight and age,he'll burn it off as he is eating it.

500mg for 16 weeks,is nothing,even as a first "cycle"if you think it is you need to do some research yourself,or ask yourself what your own goals are and what your willing to do to attain then!

well i can gain 15-20lbs on a 12 weeker @ 500mgs per week and that suits me fine.

your telling me a 16-17-18 weeker will yiled 30-40lbs?

i dont think so bro.

now imo one needs to give the receperters a rest now and then and by running long cycles like you sergest one will just have to up the mg per week the longer the cycle runs.

the longer one runs more and more gear is needed and gains slow down.

i like too do 1 12-14 week out right bulker (long ester) and one cutter (short ester per year .

this give me year after year gains that i like .

i wouldent like to do a long 20+ weeker then stop and gain nout natty ,no thank you,i lwould like to keep my gains comeing year after year.

[wakeskate22]

whats something else i could add to my diet that could dramatically increase my calories? what are some favorites

[god-send]

man you cant ask for sources here edit post please and read the rules,

[DEVLDOG]

well i can gain 15-20lbs on a 12 weeker @ 500mgs per week and that suits me fine.

your telling me a 16-17-18 weeker will yiled 30-40lbs?

i dont think so bro.

now imo one needs to give the receperters a rest now and then and by running long cycles like you sergest one will just have to up the mg per week the longer the cycle runs.

the longer one runs more and more gear is needed and gains slow down.

i like too do 1 12-14 week out right bulker (long ester) and one cutter (short ester per year .

this give me year after year gains that i like .

i wouldent like to do a long 20+ weeker then stop and gain nout natty ,no thank you,i lwould like to keep my gains comeing year after year.

let me answer these statements in order

1,your 15-20 lbs in your 12 week cycle is most likely 98% water weight,i'll give you 2lbs lean mass assuming your diet was strict and I dont mean dieting i mean strict as in 10 chicken breasts,x amout of fish and meat a day along with proper fats and carbs

2.tell me where I said you will gain 30-40lbs on a "16-17-18 week cycle"thats ridiculous,if one did they would have sever hypertension most likely

3,give receptors a break?? thats the old way of thinking,its a proven fact that ALL cells (receptors) die off and regenerate every 30 days or so,so they dont need a "break"

4.more gear isnt needed the longer you run a cycle,you need to eat more and train harder.its only the foolish and uneducated that think once gains stop they need more gear.if you were to gain 20lbs and continued to eat and train the same way you did to get thoe 20lbs ofcourse you wont gain anymore,yes adding gear will help but the right way to do it is to increase calories and training

5. 1 bulking cycle and 1 cutting cycle???? your diet dictates weather your cutting or bulking,drug compound has nothing to do with it,again.old way of thinking

6,"year after year gains",your obviously not gonna gain 20lbs a yr for 20yrs at some point you reach your potential size wise and then its just a matter of quality over quanity. you can put two guys next to each other that both weigh 250lbs and have two completely looking physiques.

7,continuos cycles will have your gains coming more steady,without staying on like I have i would never be able to bench 500+ for reps..etc it wasnt until i was into my 2nd yr that my stregnth really really kicked in.



stop believing everything you read my man!!

[wakeskate22]

so does it just all come down to personal preferance when it comes to first cycle? as long as you do your research..

[wakeskate22]

and also.. when you guys think of a bulking cycle.. how many pounds do you actually think of adding?