what would be the basic thing this course of test and tren do for me over 10 weeks?and how should i run it ie dosages iv done 3 courses in the past with good gains 1st was test alone then test and dbol the deca300 with test.
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what would be the basic thing this course of test and tren do for me over 10 weeks?and how should i run it ie dosages iv done 3 courses in the past with good gains 1st was test alone then test and dbol the deca300 with test.
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long esters = test e 500mgs ew-tren e 400mgs ew(test 12-tren 10)
short esters = test prop 75-100mgs ed 8-10 weeks -tren a 75mgs ed 8-10 weeks.
cant answer what it will do ofr you because i dont have stats and dont know what you diet is like.
if you care to post the above 2 i will give more help.
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Turn you in to a monster if diet and training is on point.Originally Posted by carl08
Retired VET
assuming your taking acetate since you didnt mention ester,the best way i have found to take it is to start low 74-80mg/ed mg based on what you have homebrew or UG,doesnt really matter,take for 3 days (thats all it takes to start feeling effects of tren) and increase by 20mg ed until you cant bare the sides anymore(you will know when this is) then back it down 20mgs and keep it there. you will still be dealing with body temp regulation problems and insomnia but its all part of using tren,if you cant deal with it then dont even use it. I remember freezing,shivering ,teeth clattering and all and it was 92 degrees out,20 min later i was sweating like a pig,sleeping 45min a night but feeling refreshed all day. i used to shoot it in my biceps and triceps,not a firm believer of site injections but hwen your shooting 4 or 5 needles a day you need every dam muscle to contribute,it made my arms rock solid and honestly was the only time they were 22"...I ran it for 6 months like this,its fkn harsh but the best compound on the planet if you ask me
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What about stacking Tren Acetate with Sust?
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75-100mg ed of tren a? u think that might be too much for someone doing tren for the first time????
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50MG - 75 SOUND GOOD FOR FRIST TIME, If you have enough for 75 then try it out.
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If u have good tren ( 98% of UG is garbage even though it looks, tastes and even smells like tren should - there's almost no potency in it) you should go with 50-75ED (maybe even EOD depends how it'll make u feel). Everything that Devildog said YOU WILL FEEL as long as ur tren is real deal(or if its converted pellets or belts). If you are naturally an angry person ( you should watch that too). But if you bare the sides, that'll be one of the best things u try in your life (make sure u take pics. before and after)
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I think that is miss-information though some ugls may produce crap I dont think 98% do. That is a bogus statement. I have used several UGLs and always got good gear. Just need to be smart about where you buy your gear. There are many reputable UGLS out there.98% of UG is garbage even though it looks, tastes and even smells like tren should - there's almost no potency in it)
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First time I strongly suggest starting with 50mg and see how you react to it.
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redz, if the raw material is garbage I dont care if you have a noble prize in making juice. Its not the rocket science buddy by any means. Reputation of a lab doesn't apply here due to the fact that they dont do anything wrong. Its still same recepie, but since raw mat. isn't potent it doesn't matter how good the lab is. We can argue about being smart of using UG gear , but I tell u like that: I've seen juice was made in the dirty garage, put the nice/shiny label on it and a good hologram and if I say it was made in John Hopkins Univ. chemical lab (afterhours) - you would believe it or couldn't proof otherwise. I understand my brother , there are good, honest people out there who make UG sauce, but you have to understand that above it all its business.
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the "stack" purchase of D-anabol, Tren, and Winn. anyone think this stack is a GOOD buy and has anyone experienced acne with it's use?" - thanks all
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start you own thread and the answer to your question is no
Retired AR Monitor
Im guessing your talking about the legal anabolics that are found. They are nothing but herbal supplements that really are a waste of money IMO. Dont waste your time or your money and stick around for some research on AAS.
Just had to add, ill be running a prop tren cycle coming up very soon and ill be using 75mg ED of tren and 50mg ED of prop. Ill keep a log but im excited as hell for it!
Just make sure to have some type of progesterone inhibitor on hand as well as keeping your diet up. Tren is very powerful stuff with an anabolic to androgenic ration of 500 to 500. Strong stuff but the gains are amazing. If you really are worried about it start off at 50mg ED and up it to 75mg if you feel the need and can handle the sides.
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progesterone blocker? like what? Spironolactone
personally progesterone does not concern me at all as far as gyno issues are concerned.
the issue with tren or deca i believe would be related to its estrogenic effects via the AR.
progesterone will and can only become an issue in the presence of circulating estrogen.
estrogen,progesterone,prolactin,igf and GH all work together to cause breast growth.. control the estrogen and problem solved.
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Progesterone control, ie bromo, caber, b6.
Yes they help.
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Theres good and bad in all business but ugls arent 98% crap. Also further more not everyone is using low quality raw materials. Like I said know your gear and ugls but there are many good ones out there.redz, if the raw material is garbage I dont care if you have a noble prize in making juice. Its not the rocket science buddy by any means. Reputation of a lab doesn't apply here due to the fact that they dont do anything wrong. Its still same recepie, but since raw mat. isn't potent it doesn't matter how good the lab is. We can argue about being smart of using UG gear , but I tell u like that: I've seen juice was made in the dirty garage, put the nice/shiny label on it and a good hologram and if I say it was made in John Hopkins Univ. chemical lab (afterhours) - you would believe it or couldn't proof otherwise. I understand my brother , there are good, honest people out there who make UG sauce, but you have to understand that above it all its business.
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oh ok..thought you ware talking about a PR blocker
and yes they should be onhand to keep prolactin levels in check.. i run b6 during every run with deca or tren and keep caber just incase the b6 dont cut it.
Last edited by Mulciber; 10-14-2008 at 10:39 AM.
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98% OF UNDERGROUND TREN I SAID BROI didn't say every raw material. Anything from China is 96% and higher. Its not peptides, if AAS raw mat. come in its crude grade i.e aprox. 60-70%, noone would ever touch it with a fishing pole. Redz, my man ! Unless U PERSONALLY make ur stuff or u see its being made - lets be honest here - you do not know. Trustworthy labs ? Why because they say they have sterile cond. and noone got an infection yet ? Or because labels are nice and shiny? Lets imagine the best possible situation ( best possible for you). Lets imagine you own a lab or see gear being made in front of you.
In this theory u dont spend a single cent on it and you have it so much that most people could only wish. Now , tell me how is it possible that u can speak for any other lab out there ? Once again , I said "TREN" and only "TREN". And the reason for it was that when UG scene filled all of those "open source boards" majority of the labs were getting their raw mat from the same companies. So if the barrell of 100kg-1tonn was made cointaining 3% of chinese snots, it means that every source out there who used any of the reps that sell that barrell will have 3% of chinese snots in their gear. We even had it tested and it came back good, but it wasn't potent for some reason. The first timers used 100-150mg ED (TREN) and didn't have no tren sides 3 weeks into the cycle. Come on now.
REDZ, does it really worth our 5 posts discussion ? You have your opinion , I have mine. We either can agree to disagree or if you still want to go for it , we can talk over PM's. I wish you the best my friend
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what do you guys think about EDITED
Last edited by PT; 10-15-2008 at 03:57 AM. Reason: lab name
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Why would anyone buy tren? Am i reading this right?
I make the best shit around!
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DD, I hope its not the name cuz it'll be deleted. Other than that I never used any , so I can't say !
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lmao , I agree ! If I had to choose I'd convert some fina. Just gotta be careful and dont be too greedy. Solutions eats up the glue(like) substance that pellets are made from. U keep them in solution for too long , then squeeze too hard, there's a chance u'll get some of that in ur fina. Nice gold color is the way to go. If its very dark and murky , and u still decide to inject it....WHOA, I've seen it removed sergically (jello-like octopus looking snots. Im not kidding). My friend's ass was operated on and I also see web pictures where they got a big snotty looking crap out of the dude's shoulder. He was running fina only cycle too. You might get away with it, every body is different. I never had that myself and my first 2g back in 2002 I think I disolved everything that can be and cannot be disolved.
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I won't go into detail right now, but i will tell you that the human body is amazing. It knows how to take care of itself. Sorry to hear about your friend man. I've done some crazy shit and had no problems. On the other hand, my friends have injected juice and gotten infections. Go figure!!lmao , I agree ! If I had to choose I'd convert some fina. Just gotta be careful and dont be too greedy. Solutions eats up the glue(like) substance that pellets are made from. U keep them in solution for too long , then squeeze too hard, there's a chance u'll get some of that in ur fina. Nice gold color is the way to go. If its very dark and murky , and u still decide to inject it....WHOA, I've seen it removed sergically (jello-like octopus looking snots. Im not kidding). My friend's ass was operated on and I also see web pictures where they got a big snotty looking crap out of the dude's shoulder. He was running fina only cycle too. You might get away with it, every body is different. I never had that myself and my first 2g back in 2002 I think I disolved everything that can be and cannot be disolved.
I make the best tren around. Just let it dissolve then filter. No need to ever touch the tren.
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Exactly...Patience is most important with Tren...When I make mine, it happens over the course of 3-4 days before I use a Whatmann filter.
Then again, I use the ancient method of crushing, mixing, and filtering.
There are better ways to make crystals that improve the yield and allow you to be more precise with concentration.
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my next cycle consists of tren a and sust.. imma start at 50 to see how i react to it
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you know what, i wanna know the answer to this question too.. can you stack tren a with sust??? it would save me an extra injection
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hijacker..
yes you can
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