Deca help for a gimp

[g35in305]

I'd like some information from anyone willing to help me out...

Here is a little background about my situation:
About 9 years ago, I injured my shoulder playing a highschool sport. I dislocated my shoulder one day during a practice, and my shoulder would dislocate practically if the wind blew on it after that. I had surgery on it (torn labrum). I did my post OP physical therapy, but the problems still persisted. After many months of pain and suffering, I decided to try and take matters into my own hands. I started working out very lightly for many months. Eventually the stabilizer muscles were strong enough to hold everything together I believe, because the dislocating stopped. Eventually I decided to get on a cycle of Deca to help with some of the joint pain I was still experiencing and to help gain a little mass. It worked miracles for me.

This brings me to my present situation. 9 years after the fact, I have started experiencing some of the same sorts of joint pain that I experienced before. I've decided that since Deca worked very well for me before (not to mention that I could use to gain some solid weight), I want to jump on another cycle of it. The first time around, I did no research, just did the shots and that was it (stupid, I know). This time I want to do it right. Everything I've read says that I should stack it with Test because of its effects, but I'd rather not (I'm not looking to get huge, just help my shoulder, and maybe gain 10lbs if I'm lucky). The main thing that I'm wondering now is about my PCT if I'm doing the Deca by itself in order to combat the reduction in natural test production.

For anyone that hung in there so far, here are my questions:
1) In your opinion, is it worth it for me to take Deca for the reasons stated above?
2) When is the best time to start my PCT? I'm planning on taking Chlomids. Will the Chlomids by themselves be enough, and what doseage should I take, how often, and for how long?
3) If possible, I'd like for my PCT to be composed of over-the-counter stuff other than the Chlomids. I've read that some Vitamin-C will help with the cortisol problem and vitamin B-6 will help with progesterone problems. Will these be strong enough?
4) Are there any other recommendations for supplements to be taken during the cycle, or any other advice/things to watch out for?

I'm sorry if these questions seem like they've been covered before, but most of what I've read has been regarding PCT for Deca stacked with other things, not by itself. Thanks to anyone willing to lend a hand.

[redz]

Dont take Deca alone take Test with it. Deca alone is very suppressive to natural test productions and will cause you to have no libedo.

[g35in305]

I understand that, but frankly, I'd rather have a slightly lower libido then dealing the associated side effects of test. Not to mention that gaining a bunch of size/mass isn't the main reason for me doing this. If it were, I would consider other options. I also don't remember having a lowered libido at all last time I took Deca...

Appreciate the advice though. I have considered it, just would like further feedback before heading that route.

[redz]

Test causes no side effects for me. Deca can cause total loss of libedo and the dreaded deca dick. Even if you didnt last time that doesnt mean this time will be the same. Also deca can cause other problems too some people report having libedo problems for months after stoping deca without taking test even with a good pct.

[Budk024]

Hey man I did a deca only cycle and I personally think it is a bad idea. Not just becuase the loss of libido but because the effects afterward. I basically lost almost everything I had gained on cycle. I would seriously consider adding test at least a low dose. I have also had some bad problems with my shoulder due to high school sports but not to the extent that you have but the deca did help along with some glucosamine. More than deca I would try to focus on perfect form and doin strength exercises to build up your shoulder cuz once the deca is gone you will be right back to the same place.

[redz]

Hey man I did a deca only cycle and I personally think it is a bad idea. Not just becuase the loss of libido but because the effects afterward. I basically lost almost everything I had gained on cycle. I would seriously consider adding test at least a low dose. I have also had some bad problems with my shoulder due to high school sports but not to the extent that you have but the deca did help along with some glucosamine. More than deca I would try to focus on perfect form and doin strength exercises to build up your shoulder cuz once the deca is gone you will be right back to the same place.

Good advice.

[g35in305]

If that is the case, what type of test would you recommend, how should I stack it, and what would you recommend for PCT? Keep in mind, that I was not intending on spending an arm and a leg on this cycle either. I just want to help my shoulder out really.

[g35in305]

Hey man I did a deca only cycle and I personally think it is a bad idea. Not just becuase the loss of libido but because the effects afterward. I basically lost almost everything I had gained on cycle. I would seriously consider adding test at least a low dose. I have also had some bad problems with my shoulder due to high school sports but not to the extent that you have but the deca did help along with some glucosamine. More than deca I would try to focus on perfect form and doin strength exercises to build up your shoulder cuz once the deca is gone you will be right back to the same place.

Thanks. That's the type of advice I was hoping for. This really has a lot less to do with my form in the gym, and more to do with what my shoulder is used for out of the gym (sports and activities which are very uncomfortable right now). Any advice on a mild-test stack?

[redz]

Test E or Test C are ideal as they have the same injection frequency as the deca would so they could be mixed in the same shot. Even if you only take 250mg/week it will keep your test levels where they need to be without giving you harsh side effects.

[g35in305]

Test E or Test C are ideal as they have the same injection frequency as the deca would so they could be mixed in the same shot. Even if you only take 250mg/week it will keep your test levels where they need to be without giving you harsh side effects.

Any recommendations on PCT for a cycle like that?

[DEVLDOG]

Man I can relate with you bro,I too throw deca in when my joints are hurting,part of it is the collogen resysnthasis properties of the deca and part is the water retension that act like a cushion.
if you sole reason is for your shoulder (you probably have alot of scar tissue there at this point) 200mg/week of deca should eleviate the pain and mobility for you.but will take a good 5 weeks...deca only cycles are good for about 8lbs,I ran a deca only cycle just to see the effects on me and thats what i concluded.have some test on hand if libido becomes an issue,get some suspension or prop,something that will kick in right away and if your doing this soley for your shoulder then I dont ever see you coming off or your just gonna be back where you started at...sore! so just keep the dosages low,as low as needed to work for you and stay on until your ready to be sore again

or


go see an ortho and persue the surgery avanue and be done with it drug free!!!

[redz]

Nolva/aromasin should workout well for pct. Run the pct about 2 weeks after last pin and do it for about 4 weeks.

[SampsonandDelilah]

Whats up bro...

I had labrum surgery two years ago(did arthoscopic, now have 4 shiny little bolts in my shoulder) Went from 210 down to around 185/190....it sucked. Made my way back to the gym and finally felt ready for a cycle. I'm in the middle of a Test Cyp only cycle and my shoulder has felt the best it has ever prior to injurying it.

Prior I had run a deca only cycle and saw minimal gains...nothing compred to the test cycle Im on now. Im taking 400 mgs weekly (broken up on mon/thurs)

maybe do a deca/test or try test only (to save on dough..as you mentioned). I think guys would agree with doing a test only cycle before doing a deca only cycle
I'm not sure of the lubricating differences between the two..but strength in the shoulders and supporting muscles is what you're after (and discomfort reduction, I assume)

If you check my first thread ever on this board, I think you'll see some good info on this exact topic (PCT etc...) I was asking some of your same questions you are and got good answers.

And frankly, Im glad I listened...my cycle's going great...my strength is back and my size has taken off

My right arm (surgery side) is still weaker than my left and definitley notice it sometimes lifting...but size and strength has returned in it(they're finally almost the same size again)...it's way more flexible/mobile and I dont get the pain anymore, and feel way more confident in things like swinging a bat, throwing a ball, hitting a volleyball, you name it

I dont think you'd even need to run 400 mgs (which is what I'm doing and considered on the lower side)

maybe find an ideal dose range


good luck man...keep us posted

[g35in305]

Man I can relate with you bro,I too throw deca in when my joints are hurting,part of it is the collogen resysnthasis properties of the deca and part is the water retension that act like a cushion.
if you sole reason is for your shoulder (you probably have alot of scar tissue there at this point) 200mg/week of deca should eleviate the pain and mobility for you.but will take a good 5 weeks...deca only cycles are good for about 8lbs,I ran a deca only cycle just to see the effects on me and thats what i concluded.have some test on hand if libido becomes an issue,get some suspension or prop,something that will kick in right away and if your doing this soley for your shoulder then I dont ever see you coming off or your just gonna be back where you started at...sore! so just keep the dosages low,as low as needed to work for you and stay on until your ready to be sore again

or


go see an ortho and persue the surgery avanue and be done with it drug free!!!

I hear what you're saying, but the fact that I did the last Deca cycle to alleviate this pain 9 years ago with no pain again until recently makes me think otherwise... The surgery route actually didn't work out for me at all before :/

[g35in305]

Whats up bro...

I had labrum surgery two years ago(did arthoscopic, now have 4 shiny little bolts in my shoulder) Went from 210 down...

Thanks for the input man, I really appreciate hearing from someone coming from the same situation I'm in. I guess my main thing right now is wanting to get the strength and pain relief in my joint by taking a "supplement" without everybody in my life knowing that I'm using... To me it seemed like just doing Deca might be a solution to this, as I'd have the positives of the strength and joint relief, and wouldn't gain much in the way of size.

I guess maybe I'll stick with someone's advice of doing a low-dose test/deca cycle and see how it goes.

[g35in305]

Ok, so based on the advice that I've received so far (thanks a ton by the way), here are my new questions:

I think I'm going to go with Deca 400-600mg/week for 12 weeks or so. Test C 250mg/week.

1) If I'm going to shoot the Deca twice/week, would I want to shoot 125mg of the Test twice/week also, or just once/week?
2) Should I stop the Test at the same time I stop the Deca?
3) Redz recommended Nolva and Aromasin for PCT, but I read in another thread that Nolva should not be used with Deca. Would I be better off with Cholmids?

[g35in305]

Oops, double post...

[redz]

1)Might as well shoot them both twice a week for best stability
2)Run the Test slightly longer than the deca
3)You wont be running the deca and nolva at the same time. You are running the nolva after which is fine. You are right though you should not take them at the same time. Start pct 2 weeks after last test e shot.

[g35in305]

Thanks a lot man. I really appreciate it

What do you think about me substituting Arimidex for the Aromasin? I'm having an easier time finding that. Will that work well with Nolva?