About to start first cycle, scared, please advise

**kewlgt** · 10-07-2008, 09:00 PM

Hello everyone,

I have been reading these forums for weeks now, trying to understand all that I can, I must say this is one of the most useful source of facts I have run across on the Internet. I am about to start my first cycle this week and am scared of that first shot.

A little back ground on myself, I am 33 years old, 6'1, 192lbs, 22 approx body fat, I been working out on and off for years, mostly off in the last couple of months. My goal is to put on some muscle and cut, I have no desire to get huge, although I do like everyone else want to look good with my shirt off, some cuts, abs etc. I do want to add about 15lbs of muscle. I have to get rid of some belly fat.

Planning on working out 3 times a week, 1 hour in the gym. Unfortunately I do not have a lot of time to train, so I have to set realistic goals for myself. I do not want to become a gym rat and spend a lot of time in the gym. I am going to be taking multiviatimes, protein shakes and the usual routine.

Supplements I have right now, Trenbolone Acetate (3 x 10cc bottles) and Testosterone Enanthate 250. I have been told to use 1cc of Terbolone and 1cc of Testosterone every other day, 3 shot per week. To rotate between left arm, right arm, left buttock, and right buttock. Does that sound about right? If not what do you guys recommend? I plan on doing a 9 week cycle.

Any advise for a newbee would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers

**michael tyson** · 10-07-2008, 09:07 PM

i would opt to save your gear and do some reading. you will find it very beneficial to follow these link. your body fat is way too high for AAS bro.. DIET IS EVERYTHING

Diet Help
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355744

Diet Section
http://forums.steroid.com/forumdisplay.php?f=6

Choosing Diets
http://www.steroid.com/diet.php

read up and ask as many questions as you would like

**WARMachine** · 10-07-2008, 09:16 PM

Thats a horrible cycle bro.

We need to know what the gear is dosed at too.

I.E. 100mgs/ml? 200mgs/ml? etc?

Secondly, Ace needs to be shot ED, not EOD. If you cannot handle ED injections, switch to E.

Third, like KChrist said, your BF% is WAY too high to begin a cycle.

If you dont have the drive to go to the gym 4-6 times a week, you shouldnt be doing AAS.

Your diet is obviously sub-par due to your high BF%. Please follow my advice and look at those diet links before beginning a cycle.

Also, F.Y.I.

-Test E needs to be run a minimum of 10wks. 12 being the norm, and 14 considered optimal.
-Tren is considered a advanced steroid and should not be used by first time AAS users.
-Diet is key to gaining and more importantly KEEPING gains. Your diet is not good.

I hope you heed my advice my friend, feel free to ask if you have anymore questions.

**michael tyson** · 10-07-2008, 09:25 PM

as many of these threads that there are, you need all the help you can get war =)

**Almost Jacked 33** · 10-07-2008, 09:25 PM

I agree with War4BTT. You shouldnt be considering AAS. A change in your diet and workout will do alot more than those AAS your wanting to use. That is saying that you kept the same diet and workout regimen you have now while using them.

**kewlgt** · 10-08-2008, 08:49 AM

Originally Posted by war4BTT

Thats a horrible cycle bro.

We need to know what the gear is dosed at too.

I.E. 100mgs/ml? 200mgs/ml? etc?

Secondly, Ace needs to be shot ED, not EOD. If you cannot handle ED injections, switch to E.

Third, like KChrist said, your BF% is WAY too high to begin a cycle.

If you dont have the drive to go to the gym 4-6 times a week, you shouldnt be doing AAS.

Your diet is obviously sub-par due to your high BF%. Please follow my advice and look at those diet links before beginning a cycle.

Also, F.Y.I.

-Test E needs to be run a minimum of 10wks. 12 being the norm, and 14 considered optimal.
-Tren is considered a advanced steroid and should not be used by first time AAS users.
-Diet is key to gaining and more importantly KEEPING gains. Your diet is not good.

I hope you heed my advice my friend, feel free to ask if you have anymore questions.

Thanks for your and everyone else advise. This is exactly the kind of thing I was looking for, I am adjusting my diet according to the links provided, I should have clarified that I am already doing this and plan on working hard at it. I am also willing to make the time commitment needed as obviously you get out what you put into it. And yes 12 week cycle is what I will do.

I did have a question about what you mean by Tren being considered to a advanced steroid not to be used by first timers. Could you please explain this a little further?

**redz** · 10-08-2008, 08:53 AM

Tren on a first cycle is a terrible idea. Also why stack a long and short ester together. If you cant devote the time to train adn eat right there is no point for you to cycle and at 22% bf...... I dont even know what to tell you but hit the treadmill and stop eating crappy food.

**Bio-boosted** · 10-08-2008, 10:28 AM

Your testosterone is test enan 250 right? You needn't shoot tthis EOD 1st cycle, 2cc a week is a typical beginner cycle. For a total of 500EW.
Do the shots twice a week, i'd suggest not shooting the bicept muscle, use your thigh - outer and high instead.
Hide the Tren for a year..

**kewlgt** · 10-08-2008, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by Bio-boosted

Your testosterone is test enan 250 right? You needn't shoot tthis EOD 1st cycle, 2cc a week is a typical beginner cycle. For a total of 500EW.
Do the shots twice a week, i'd suggest not shooting the bicept muscle, use your thigh - outer and high instead.
Hide the Tren for a year..

Yes its Test E 250. Twice is week sounds more reasonable, thanks for the info, again whats with the Tren ? What is the reason for hidiing it for a year? I am not pressed to use it, just would like to find out why, I cannot seem to find much info on this fact.

Thanks

**redz** · 10-08-2008, 11:56 AM

Tren is a very hardcore steroid with a long list of side effects. Commonly people get insomnia on it and it can make you very edgy. It is best to explore otehr steroids specifically test by itself to see how you react before putting Tren in your system

**god-send** · 10-08-2008, 12:09 PM

yes tren is not for you at this stage mate.

go with a simple test e cycle @ 500mgs per week (2ml) 1ml mon and 1ml thurs.

this should yeid great gains as long as your diet ,lifting,rest and PCT is in good order.

pct i would say with a simple nolva/clomid would be good for you.

nolvadex 20mgs everyday for 4 weeks starting 2 weeks after last shot of test e

clomid 50mgs everyday for the first 2 weeks and then 25mgs everyday for the last 2 weeks.(satrt same time as nolva -2 weeks after last shot of test e)

now if you start to get gyno probs on cycle (ichy,sore,puffy nipples) you will need to run adex @ .25 mg every other day ,this should controll all gyno and bloating problems.

run the adex right upto the day you start pct.

hope this helps .

**DEVLDOG** · 10-08-2008, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by kewlgt

Thanks for your and everyone else advise. This is exactly the kind of thing I was looking for, I am adjusting my diet according to the links provided, I should have clarified that I am already doing this and plan on working hard at it. I am also willing to make the time commitment needed as obviously you get out what you put into it. And yes 12 week cycle is what I will do.

I did have a question about what you mean by Tren being considered to a advanced steroid not to be used by first timers. Could you please explain this a little further?

seriously,get your bf% down before you even consider a "cycle'. you will be happy withthe results

at your bf% you will just look like a swelled up mess,sorry but its true

**god-send** · 10-08-2008, 12:25 PM

yes i agree 22% is to high only just seen that.

14 or lower and your good to go,the lower the better

**kewlgt** · 10-08-2008, 12:39 PM

ok thanks for the info, I will work on getting the bf down before trying any of this.

**BritishColumbian** · 10-08-2008, 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by kewlgt

ok thanks for the info, I will work on getting the bf down before trying any of this.

Good choice bro!, keep comin back!

**kewlgt** · 02-16-2009, 10:23 AM

So it has been about 4 months since I posted this, during this time, I have done as some of your suggested, improved my diet and greatly cut down on the BF, worked out more, added cardio etc. I am about as lean as I am going to get I believe. I had gotten a blood test so that I have some sort of base line. So I am about to start my first cycle, I am going to go with test enth 250 1cc 3 times per week, for 12 weeks. Should I still stay away from Tren for now? I know, everyone wants everything right now! I think I will start with test for now. Any other recommendations? I am all ears. Thanks again for the good advise.

**Nooomoto** · 02-16-2009, 10:56 AM

Planning on working out 3 times a week, 1 hour in the gym. Unfortunately I do not have a lot of time to train, so I have to set realistic goals for myself. I do not want to become a gym rat and spend a lot of time in the gym.

Uhm...working out 3 times a week isn't going to cut it while on cycle. If you don't want to be a "gym rat", then why are you considering AS? Dedication, hard work and consistency is the key. If you're going to do some half-assed training program, then don't bother. WTF are you going to do for 4 days with all that extra awesomeness running through your body? Lay around and eat?

If you're not ready and serious about putting in some real time at the gym, then you need to reconsider using AS, and maybe sell them or give them to a friend.

**Big** · 02-16-2009, 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by kewlgt

So it has been about 4 months since I posted this, during this time, I have done as some of your suggested, improved my diet and greatly cut down on the BF, worked out more, added cardio etc. I am about as lean as I am going to get I believe. I had gotten a blood test so that I have some sort of base line. So I am about to start my first cycle, I am going to go with test enth 250 1cc 3 times per week, for 12 weeks. Should I still stay away from Tren for now? I know, everyone wants everything right now! I think I will start with test for now. Any other recommendations? I am all ears. Thanks again for the good advise.

why are you going to shoot test e 3 times a week?
yes, I feel you should wait for the tren .

**Mammon** · 02-16-2009, 11:21 AM

yep.. 500mg, 250mg twice a week would be pleanty

***T-MOS*** · 02-16-2009, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by kewlgt

So it has been about 4 months since I posted this, during this time, I have done as some of your suggested, improved my diet and greatly cut down on the BF, worked out more, added cardio etc. I am about as lean as I am going to get I believe. I had gotten a blood test so that I have some sort of base line. So I am about to start my first cycle, I am going to go with test enth 250 1cc 3 times per week, for 12 weeks. Should I still stay away from Tren for now? I know, everyone wants everything right now! I think I will start with test for now. Any other recommendations? I am all ears. Thanks again for the good advise.

What reading on here have you done in the past 4 months?

What do you have ON HAND for your PCT ?

Test Enanthate needs to be shot once every 3.5 days

Still don't think you are quite ready

Stay away from Tren for now, as the harsh sides are unpredictable and you do not know how you will even react with Test first

Steroids are not magic and do not work by themselves !! if your diet and training are half assed, then your results with the steroids will be the same

**hankdiesel** · 02-16-2009, 02:07 PM

Two shots of test E a week and you will grow like a weed. No tren and no third shot. Just dedicate yourself to diet and exercise for a while.

**(1*)** · 02-16-2009, 03:04 PM

i didn't think it was possible to want to only spend 3 hours a week in the gym. you should be lifting 5 days a week, or 4 days a week with an extra day for cardio. you will find while on cycle that you crave the gym and have to force yourself not to go on rest days. also know that you won't see what you want to see right away on the test e. it will take a while to notice the true gains. like 5 or more weeks.

**GauchB** · 02-16-2009, 03:10 PM

how can you be 6'1" 192 and 22% bf?? That is weird. you either never lifted before or you have small arms and legs with a gut that won't stop. lol.

**chuckt12345** · 02-16-2009, 03:18 PM

I dont put to much faith in peoples bf% without pics. Its usually 5% off anyways.

**kewlgt** · 02-17-2009, 11:29 PM

Bumping working out to 4 times a week. Test 250 and tren 2 times a week...

**hankdiesel** · 02-18-2009, 12:24 AM

Save the tren for another time. But I must know, what kind of tren is it? You're shooting it 2x a week.......

***T-MOS*** · 02-18-2009, 12:25 AM

Originally Posted by kewlgt

Bumping working out to 4 times a week. Test 250 and tren 2 times a week...

so you want to be like ALL the other kids that come on here and ask for advice only to do whatever it is you want to do anyway.......

why come here and waste our time trying to help you do things the right way?????

Funny, the title of this thread says SCARED, doesn't seem like your scared enough!!!

**lovbyts** · 02-18-2009, 12:44 AM

What kind of gains have you really seen over the last 4 months? What is your BF at now? You say the diet is better?
OK keep doing the same thing but 4x a week would be minimum. Keep working until you reach a platue, then switch up your work out routine and adjust your diet more. After about a year or more and you think you have some what peaked and working out 5x a week, have a really good routine, great diet keep researching and reading and then you will probably be close to being ready. Using wont help you really get there any faster but once you are there it will help you go a little beyond or up to the next level. If you do it to soon you are just throwing your money away. It's like putting high octane gas into a stock Honda civic compared to a Ferrari.

**Jenseno9** · 02-18-2009, 12:52 AM

You sir are an idiot. And TREN for a first cycle? Woah bro slow wayyy down. AAS are not for the intermediate athlete. Even though I would consider you a beginner. At 190 lbs and 20% bf puts you at about 150lbs of lean body mass at over 6 ft tall! The juice is great don't get me wrong. But you definitely do not need it to even reach your goals. You are trying to find an easy way and AAS is not your answer. Not really knowing you personally Im not even sure if bodybuilding is really what you are interested in. To me it sounds more like fitness is your goal. As most bodybuilders are actually rather unhealthy. Check out these workouts that are posted daily and called WODS (workout of the day)
www.crossfit.com
http://secure.monkeybargym.com/

And here's some reading for your diet.
http://www.earth360.com/diet_paleodiet_balzer.html

I personally am at 185 and 10% and hit Personal records almost every workout. Your diet sucks, you training philosophy sucks too. Basically you wasted your money on this cycle because any gains you see will be gone 1 month after your done (probably within 2 weeks).

Why are people even giving him advice? He shouldn't even be thinking about taking AAS. The only good advice you have ignored. And that advice was that you should not be thinking about juicing. AAS should only be used after reaching or close to your genetic potential.

Sorry for coming across so strong but let me know if you need any help. Ie with your diet, rest, and training. I am willing to help just not with what your doing to yourself now.

**kewlgt** · 02-18-2009, 07:13 AM

Ok so I hear what you guys are saying, and it does make sense. As I said before, I heard you guys the first time I posted and delayed using AAS for four months to get in better shape and get my BF down, I will find out more accurately what my current BF is, I am 191lbs at 6'1, no my belly is not huge, its pretty flat, but I don't have a six pack or anything, I have decent definition in my arms and legs. Not a whole lot of BF on me I don't think, but its not perfect, when is it ever? I have been working out 3 days a week so far, yes I hear you guys saying I should pick that up. I am going to increase it to 4 times a week, and greatly improving my diet as recommended in the diet section of this site. I am not tyring to be a jackass and do whatever I feel like, I am making an effort to be more educated. Since all of you guys feel so strongly about it, I am going to not take any tren for this cycle, however, I will be using the Test 2 times a week, I have had it for so long I just cant wait, I don't really want to be just flamed for this, the positive advise I have received so far has been good and I think I have adhered to it for the most part.

***T-MOS*** · 02-18-2009, 07:17 AM

and what PCT will you be doing for after you are done with the Test??

**Phate** · 02-18-2009, 07:18 AM

i would like to see your diet in detail

at 6'1 you should be able to get to at least 210-220lbs naturally before you consider cycling

**Jenseno9** · 02-18-2009, 10:35 AM

Yes please type out your diet with the macro's. Like how many grams of fat, carbs, protein, and calories. I personally am doing great on less than 80g of carbs a day. And those carbs come from fruits and vegetables. I only eats starches and sugars for cheat meals and have found my energy levels are much more stable and PLEASE don't take 80g or so of dextrose or maltodextrin post workout. You do NOT need this, plus all that sugar is horrible for your body.

**kewlgt** · 02-18-2009, 09:54 PM

Going for my sports physical tomorrow, blood test results should be back as well.

**kewlgt** · 02-18-2009, 10:16 PM

Oh and I keep forgetting to answer the PCT question, I plan on using nolvadex 20mgs everyday for 4 weeks starting 2 weeks after last shot of test and clomid 50mgs everyday for the first 2 weeks and then 25mgs everyday for the last 2 weeks. How does that sound?

**lovbyts** · 02-22-2009, 07:30 AM

You still dont get it. Yes you have been flamed by a few because you DONT listen. OK you are GOING to be increasing the working out and your diet will be better..... What you dont get is still the Test or any of it will do you NO good at this point. It wont make you gain faster or get in better shape until AFTER your diet and workouts have been in check for months/years and you have reached some type of plateau, then it will help you get over it. You can do it if you want and I'm sure you will but someday you will learn all the increases/gains you got where 99.9% placebo effect. You would have had gains if you used anything or not.