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    Talking Almost ready now...

    I am almost ready to start my first cycle.... MAN, I am excited!

    But I still somke last questions just to make sure:

    I am gonna use:

    1-4wk: 30mg Dbol /ed

    1-10wk: 500mg sus/wk
    400mg deca /wk

    2-15wk: 50mg proviron /ed

    Clomid 13.wk 300mg/1.day
    +10days 100mg/day
    +10days 50mg/wk

    Nolvadex on hand, when needed: 30mg first 3 days, then 20mg/day


    I am gonna inject in my butt! And I have a bit of fat... So what gauge do I need on the needle?

    Also, I have asked this almost every time but...
    Should I add or remove anything?

    Thanx for your help and guidance! I dont know what I would do without AR. (probably not use gear! )
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    clomid looks good, 22-23 guage with 1.5 inch needle should be fine for ass, and now to the doses, i think a sust/deca /dbol cycle with those doses is kinda extreme for a first cycle, youll be taking more than a gram of test per week for the first 4 weeks, imo its not necessary...save your money and your receptors for later and just use the sust and deca(and even then its still on the high end you would get by fine off sust 250 deca 300) ...again this is just my opinion, good luck!
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    OH? I had thought of 200sus and 300 deca , but then many people said it was far to low dosages! Hmmmm.... you got me wondering there!

    Thanx for your opinions bro!

    So what do you other guys think of this???

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    I think your cycle looks fine.
    Given proper diet etc.. You should do nicely off this cycle.
    Goodluck

    M

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    Thanx M!

    So there is actually nothing wrong with the dosages, even for a first cycle?

    Just waiting for a few more replies to guide me!

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    Good luck & have fun, that`s my tip for you bro

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    I've heard you always want to keep your test level higher than your deca so 250 sust 300 deca might be a bad idea. also I am about to start week 4 of my first cycle. test enan 400mg/wk and deca 300mg/week. I have hard that both of these steroids don't really kick in until week 4 but I have put 10 lbs in 3 weeks and made some good strength gains. I have felt the effects in the gym more and more each week so I'm sure next week will be even better. anyway, being your first cycle you'll probably do fine without the d-bol. good luck with your cycle, keep us posted

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    OK, mike...
    But is this your first cycle too?
    Just wondering!

    BTW! Any more opinions? Please feel free to post!

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    Originally posted by djdjdjddjon
    clomid looks good, 22-23 guage with 1.5 inch needle should be fine for ass, and now to the doses, i think a sust/deca/dbol cycle with those doses is kinda extreme for a first cycle, youll be taking more than a gram of test per week for the first 4 weeks, imo its not necessary...save your money and your receptors for later and just use the sust and deca(and even then its still on the high end you would get by fine off sust 250 deca 300) ...again this is just my opinion, good luck!

    just curious dj ,why would his test inttake be more than a gram a wk?
    because of the dbol ? and the prop in the sus?
    if you think about it, the minimal amount of prop 2x wk is nothing!
    with sus,to get the full effect of prop in it you really need to use it ed or eod,or you are really only getting under 300 mg wk of test wk!
    250 mg of sus a wk in reallity comes out to be about 100 mg of long esterfied test.
    in order to keep a leval of 500 mg with sus,you need close to double the amount

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    So, my brothaz!
    Should I or should I not take the dbol . I wanna get big, and my genetics are TOTAL CRAP!!!

    Thanx

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    Any body?
    I need at least three opinions on that one!

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    For my first cycle, I did 500 sust/400 deca a week for 8 weeks and no dbol . I put on about 20 pounds, kept about 12 of it. My diet was crap and about 1/2 way through I broke up with my girlfriend and got depressd so I didnt exploit the cycle to it's complete potential.

    I'd say 500sust/400 deca was perfect for me (6', 180 pounds at the time).

    I say save the dbol for a second cycle, and bump your sust/deca injections up a bit.

    No noticable sides, only thing i got was some acne on my back and shoulders and soon as I started to take clomid - but thats normal from what I hear.

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    No, you don't need the dbol .Its your first cycle so keep it simple like mike62200.Too many people go stuffing huge amounts of gear into their bodies when they could gain just as much off smaller amounts.You will save yourself a lot of money and side effects not to mention holes in your arse by taking it easy over your first few cycles.Wait and see how your body reacts to Test/Deca and when you stop gaining off that then you can think about throwing other things into your stack and/or upping the doses.

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    Hey, flex nutz...
    Do you got like good genetics??? I dont, but anyway, I think I should cut the dbol !

    Thanx everybody!

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