cycle question ?

**kingpin05454** · 10-14-2008, 07:28 AM

Im thinking of doing a cutting cycle with test prop. & winny,
Test rop. 100mg.eod
winny ?
PCT ?
any input would be great thanx.

**kingpin05454** · 10-14-2008, 07:39 AM

SHould I through in some tren E.

**god-send** · 10-14-2008, 08:17 AM

if your going with short esters go with

test prop

tren a

winny

if your stats are good and your ready for all them compounds go for it

nolva / proviron pct would be good

nolva 20/20/20/20

proviron 50/50/50/50

or nolva 20/20/20/20

clomid 50/50/25/25

**Freakish** · 10-14-2008, 08:56 AM

Originally Posted by kingpin05454

Im thinking of doing a cutting cycle with test prop. & winny,
Test rop. 100mg.eod
winny ?
PCT ?
any input would be great thanx.

please give us your stats

**rhino1** · 10-14-2008, 09:34 AM

Originally Posted by Freakish

please give us your stats

what freak said

**kingpin05454** · 10-14-2008, 09:02 PM

Im 41 yrs old
250lbs.
6'2"
cardio 40min ed.
hit weights 4 times a wk.
Been working out for about ten yrs off and on have done about 4 cycles in the past.
Im just qurious if I should run EQ instead of tren a due to the sides of tren a in the past
.

**Mulciber** · 10-14-2008, 09:07 PM

never mentioned past issues with tren .
think that would be a easy question to answer..
uhhhh, EQ

**kingpin05454** · 10-14-2008, 09:10 PM

just got the cough really bad, sweats, insomnia,and so on.

**WARMachine** · 10-14-2008, 09:11 PM

EQ sucks...

Whats the BF%?

Also, you should be pinning ED, not EOD.

Short esters + Pin ED =Best Way to Juice!

**kingpin05454** · 10-14-2008, 09:14 PM

BF% is about 20%
Is there any other gear other than tren i should add to this cutting cycle ?

**Mulciber** · 10-14-2008, 09:18 PM

Originally Posted by kingpin05454

just got the cough really bad, sweats, insomnia,and so on.

well, thats tren

**WARMachine** · 10-14-2008, 09:20 PM

Originally Posted by kingpin05454

BF% is about 20%
Is there any other gear other than tren i should add to this cutting cycle ?

How about a good diet?

20%BF is WAY to high to begin a cycle...

You are just begging for estrogen related sides... Your diet is an issue my friend.

Whats your regular days diet look like? Please include HOW MUCH YOUR FOOD WEIGHS. Guess if you dont know for sure, and macros if you have them.

**kingpin05454** · 10-14-2008, 09:26 PM

I dont really know how much it really weighs but here i go
Breakfast: 1 turkey sandwich on whole wheat bread
Lunch : same or chicken breast and salad w/no dressing
Dinner : small portion of fish , chicken , with a small amount of rice

**WARMachine** · 10-14-2008, 09:28 PM

How long have you been eating like this?

It cant be very long...

That is a pretty crummy diet bro...

Lacking is cals, protein, and complex carbs...

**Mulciber** · 10-14-2008, 09:28 PM

shit, id put down more than that before noon

**kingpin05454** · 10-14-2008, 09:33 PM

for about a month, droped about 15Lbs.

**WARMachine** · 10-14-2008, 09:34 PM

Half of that muscle im sure...

Thats not enough to maintain bro... Youre a BIG BIG guys, i know that inst enough for you...

**kingpin05454** · 10-15-2008, 12:23 AM

so what is enough?

**WARMachine** · 10-15-2008, 12:43 AM

Something like this

Meal 1: Pro/Carb

8 Egg Whites, 1 Scoop Of Whey Protein, 1 cup oatmeal

50g protein / 54g carbs / 5g fat

Meal 2: Pro/Fat

Lean Ground Beef, ¼ cup swiss cheese, green veggies

55g protein / 2g carbs / 20g fat

Meal 3: Pro/Carb

Chicken Breast, 1 and a half cup Brown Rice

55g protein / 64g carbs / 3g Fat
**Disclaimer: Meal 3 can be a pro/fat meal if you are ultra sensitive to carb intake.

Meal 4: Pro/Fat

2 Cans of Tuna, 1 Tbsp Full Fat Mayonnaise, Veggies

60g protein / 2g carbs / 13g Fat

Workout

Meal 5: PWO Nutrition

2 Scoops Whey Protein / 80g of Dextrose

40g protein / 80g carbs / 0g fat

Meal 6: PPWO

Boneless Skinless Chicken Breast, ½ cup Brown Rice (Measured Uncooked)

50g protein / 70g carbs / 3g fat

Meal 7: Pro/Fat

Lean Protein of your choice, 2 Tbsp Natural Peanut Butter
50g protein / 5g carbs / 18g fat

Meal 8: Before Bed

3 Scoops of Whey Protein, 1.5 Tbsp. Flax Seed Oil

60g protein / 3g carbs / 21g Fat

That turns into approximately 420 grams protein, 250 grams Carbs, and 83 grams of fat. This is roughly 3500 calories

**kingpin05454** · 10-15-2008, 12:52 AM

And you think the pounds will just fall off with this diet?
With proper cardio i mean

**kingpin05454** · 10-15-2008, 12:54 AM

thanx bro for all the info, but you still didnt answer my question, what should i use instead of tren ? when i slim down of course

**WARMachine** · 10-15-2008, 01:04 AM

That is a great diet to stay lean on.

The key is to lose fat and not muscle mass. Have you looked into clen ?

Masteron is a GREAT compound. But it works best when the user is neg-10%BF

How many cycles have you done?