test prop/tren a/ deca/dbol

**camhutch87** · 10-19-2008, 11:15 AM

i have done about 7 cycles and want to hit this one pretty hard im 5'10 230 and about 12%bf i have been working out since 14 and have been juicing since 19.. i know what all you old timers are gonna say i was too young but oh well stuff happens lol... but anyways
1-12 test prop ed 100 mg 500mg wk
1-8 deca 400mg wk
4-12 tren ace 100mg ed
1-4 dbol 75mg ed

pct
1-14 nolva 20mg ed
hcg 6-14 500ui wk

what do you guys think?
ps went test prop because i dont mind pins and i love the relese patern of the prop and ace get more bang for the buck imo

**MuscleScience** · 10-19-2008, 11:20 AM

i dont really see the point of adding dbol and deca in there. I think you would make just as good as gains without the other two compounds. With that many compounds in there each compound is competing for a spot on the androgen receptor. The ones with the highest binding affinity are going to dominate every time.

**........** · 10-19-2008, 11:24 AM

no need to use dbol while useing prop ,the prop will kick in very fast so dbol is not needed.

deca 8 weeks is a waste .

stick with either longs esters of short .

you could use npp to replace deca .

weeks 1-12 100mgs prop ed ? that is 700mgs per week not 500? ,unless your leaveing 2 days a week out ?-not a good idea.

i would do this.

weeks 1-10 100mgs prop ed

weeks 1-10 75mgs tren e ed

weeks 4-10 50mgs winny ed

**Flex-Appeal** · 10-19-2008, 11:38 AM

I see you are shooting short esters so why not switch out the deva for NPP? Just a thought...

**peachfuzz** · 10-19-2008, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by ........

no need to use dbol while useing prop ,the prop will kick in very fast so dbol is not needed.

deca 8 weeks is a waste .

stick with either longs esters of short .

you could use npp to replace deca .

weeks 1-12 100mgs prop ed ? that is 700mgs per week not 500? ,unless your leaveing 2 days a week out ?-not a good idea.

i would do this.

weeks 1-10 100mgs prop ed

weeks 1-10 75mgs tren e ed

weeks 4-10 50mgs winny ed

solid post bro. welcome to the board.

**Big** · 10-19-2008, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by camhutch87

i have done about 7 cycles and want to hit this one pretty hard im 5'10 230 and about 12%bf i have been working out since 14 and have been juicing since 19.. i know what all you old timers are gonna say i was too young but oh well stuff happens lol... but anyways
1-12 test prop ed 100 mg 500mg wk if you're shooting 100mg ed, how would it be 500mg/week?
1-8 deca 400mg wk
4-12 tren ace 100mg ed
1-4 dbol 75mg ed

pct
1-14 nolva 20mg ed
hcg 6-14 500ui wk

what do you guys think?
ps went test prop because i dont mind pins and i love the relese patern of the prop and ace get more bang for the buck imo

In red^
Also I would drop the deca and run the tren a week 1-10

**Big** · 10-19-2008, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by ........

no need to use dbol while useing prop ,the prop will kick in very fast so dbol is not needed.

deca 8 weeks is a waste .

stick with either longs esters of short .

you could use npp to replace deca .

weeks 1-12 100mgs prop ed ? that is 700mgs per week not 500? ,unless your leaveing 2 days a week out ?-not a good idea.

i would do this.

weeks 1-10 100mgs prop ed

weeks 1-10 75mgs tren e ed

weeks 4-10 50mgs winny ed

welcome back bro, I just realized our advice was similar again, I posted before I read yours.

**........** · 10-19-2008, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by Big

welcome back bro, I just realized our advice was similar again, I posted before I read yours.

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**camhutch87** · 10-19-2008, 12:17 PM

sat sun off so dont shoot..

**........** · 10-19-2008, 12:19 PM

you need to shoot on off days too bud -if you dont your blood levals will become unstable and this could lead to unwanted side effects.

**camhutch87** · 10-19-2008, 12:30 PM

okay so 700mg a week? and drop the deca ? and dbol ? im trying to get up to 250 then cutto 220.. i guess i have a extra bottle of deca no lol i have 40ml of tren 100 and two 100 10 ml prop and bout 250 15mg BD anabol oh and clen and cytomix and various suppl. of course hcg and nolva

**mx3** · 10-19-2008, 12:34 PM

I have to say I am a fan of deca and tren together but I dont like the intervals that your running these compounds. and 8 wks of deca is a waste like mentioned above.

**mx3** · 10-19-2008, 12:35 PM

and If your planning on running the two together I would have caber and letro on hand.

**camhutch87** · 10-19-2008, 12:36 PM

see i thought deca and tren would do well together what would u run?

**mx3** · 10-19-2008, 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by camhutch87

see i thought deca and tren would do well together what would u run?

On paper it looks like a bad idea and a waste to run tren and deca two nors together because like musclescience said they would be competing for the same receptors. But I tried it and had my best gains from deca and tren but I have not let them peak together, yet anyways thats for my next cycle. imo this is how I would run the cycle.
wk 1-14 prop
wk 1-12 deca
wk 1-6 tren
wk 1-4 dbol
wk 8-14 winni (optional)
This combo worked very well for me I used the tren as a kickstart for the deca. But there is one problem running it like this, you make great gains the first six wks but after you stop the tren your gains will slow dramatically at least thats what happens to me so I would suggest adding in an oral like winni for the last six wks with the deca to help this problem. This is alot of compounds and you probably don't need all of them this is just how I ran it and it worked for me.

**camhutch87** · 10-19-2008, 12:51 PM

600mg of deca a week sound goo? 2x300?

**mx3** · 10-19-2008, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by camhutch87

600mg of deca a week sound goo? 2x300?

Yes I would keep the deca higher than the tren cause with tren you can do more with less. So 600mg wk of deca and imo drop the tren to 50-75mg ed.

**........** · 10-19-2008, 12:56 PM

yes thats great -

i would do this if you want to run longer ester and horter ones

weeks 1-4 40-50mgs dbol ed

weeks 1-14 500-750mgs test e

weeks 1-12 500mgs deca

weeks 10-16 50mg winny ed

ai on hand (adex) for bloat and gyno probs

hcg weeks 7-11 500ius every 3rd day

pct

nolva 20/20/20/20

clomid 50/50/25/25

or

nolva 20/20/20/20

proviron 50/50/50/50

you could kick with prop but thats would be too much test imo.

**mx3** · 10-19-2008, 01:00 PM

You really do need caber and letro though. I started getting increased nipple size and gyno running that cycle it was cleary visible by wk 8. My dosages were much higher than you are running though but The sides didn't subside until I used caber and letro simultaneously for the rest of the cycle.

**Mazzive_T** · 10-19-2008, 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by camhutch87

okay so 700mg a week? and drop the deca ? and dbol ? im trying to get up to 250 then cutto 220.. i guess i have a extra bottle of deca no lol i have 40ml of tren 100 and two 100 10 ml prop and bout 250 15mg BD anabol oh and clen and cytomix and various suppl. of course hcg and nolva

as far as im aware mate theres no 15mg dbol pills out there, especially the BD stuff!

And BD went bust years ago too!

**camhutch87** · 10-19-2008, 01:09 PM

sounds good ill letcha know how it goes ill order some E today so should be here in bout a week... oh and they are blue thais and came in orginal halogram bottle stamped dragon on pill and all..