7 shots in my first cycle and i got this small lump inside my right pec right under the side of my nipple. should i run nolva and clomid now? or can i wait till after my cycle. im really getting amazing results and i wana keep it going. thanks.
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7 shots in my first cycle and i got this small lump inside my right pec right under the side of my nipple. should i run nolva and clomid now? or can i wait till after my cycle. im really getting amazing results and i wana keep it going. thanks.
Senior Member
Start nolva now!
Associate Member
were u running somethin like liquidex on-cycle? or nothing at all, im just curious
Associate Member
What cycle are you running?
Associate Member
Start the Nolva now, and you may want to get some Letro.
Senior Member
We really need to know what the hell your taking.It could be estrogen related or prolactin.
Anabolic Member
how much nolva you recommend in terms of mg each day?
Post Cycle Extraordinaire~GOT PCT?
Firstly, im not an advocate of Nolva on cycle for exactly this reason.
The best procedure is to take an AI from the time you begin a cycle to the end.
Now we need to know what compounds he is taking before giving advise fellas!
If this guy is takin Deca, all you who posted "Take Nolva now!" are gonna feel pretty silly.
The safest bet is ALWAYS letro. If gyno has already developed, that is the only way to get rid of it.
Scammer
yeah id definately start the nolvadex
Scammer
personally i dont care what im running.. if gyno symptoms pop up im taking nolvadex..
JMO.. nolvadex has been the drug if choice for years.. have used it many times when running both deca and tren and it did what it was suppose to do will no ill effects.
but thats me
Senior Member
Just use some letro during your PCT and you should be fine.
Scammer
during pct.. and do nothing now.. i dont know about that..
if i have symptoms, hell the guy says a lump had already developed, i want to stop the circulating estrogen from binding to the receptors in the breast now.. im surely not waiting till the end of the cycle to start preventave measures..
Post Cycle Extraordinaire~GOT PCT?
Letro is a horrible choice for PCT. It causes an estrogen rebound effect when use is discontinued. Making it possibly the worst AI choice for PCT.Originally Posted by bigpapabuff
I agree with Mulciber on this one, as long as its not Deca or Tren, run the Nolva.
Associate Member
agreed,as long as it's not deca or tren nolva's ok on cycle,otherwise use adex or letro.
Senior Member
Hell might need caber who knows.
Scammer
caber if prolactin ie lactation is in issue.. but that isnt gyno
estrogen is a main initiator of gyno and it must be present for it to occur
Senior Member
Yes mulciber you are right i know this.I just threw that out there because everybody is giving different ideas.This guy still has not told us what the hell hes taken.I was kinda being a smart ass.
Senior Member
I could not agree more! They don't even know the compounds he is taking and start with the bad suggestions. Anyways letro is the best route to take IMO. Dosen't matter what you are taking.
Scammer
so your saying if you havent been running an AI (letro) from the beginning.. and gyno symptoms pop up its better to start letro then run nolvadax and keep what circulating estrogen is already present, and causing the problem from binding to the receptors.
Senior Member
Nolva is king,,,,,,,,,not that mike will be back or anything
Senior Member
I see what you are saying but if the gyno already exists then I'd run letro. Nolva prevents, not destroys what is already presant.
Forgive me if you think it's bad advice
Scammer
nah, just trying to see where your coming from..
this is my take on it..
i think its best to run an ai from the beginning, stopping some of the aromatisation of test to estrogen..
but for instance, if you are not running an ai from the beginning and symptoms pop up stopping the aromatisation isnt the main factor to deal with.. altho i would start an ai as well its the circulating estrogen that is already now present and its binding to the receptors in the breast that is the main concern at that point. an ai wont do anything for already present estrogen. just prevent further aromatisation of test to estrogen to a certain extent.
Senior Member
good post thanks for the info. Everything makes sense. I guess I needed to go more in depth with my answer, I'm on my phone...
Banned
thanks for the help.
im on test e and deca. mulciber u said everyone suggesting is guna feel stupid if im on deca. why is that? i was on sus and tribolin at the beginning of my cycle but coz things happened i have changed to enanthate. but what i really want to ask is will i be able to still gain the same results i have been getting while on nolvadex or anything else u guys tell me to get? i dont mind starting nolva after the cycle and hold the gyno for a bit
Last edited by Mike111; 10-20-2008 at 09:44 PM.
Member
get some adex or letro.....
he has a lump...high prolactin levels causes discharge of the nipples and it builds up soft tissue around the brest, it does not cause lumps
Scammer
you dont want to wait till the end of the cycle to start to combat gyno .. once the symptoms start thats the red flag.. begin the process to nip it at the bud before the lumps form.. once they are there odds are surgery will be required. this letro reversal deal is a shot in the dark at best. i sure wouldnt count on it.if you decide to wait it will most likely be to late.
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yes its a lump its geting slightly bigger. i have nolva on hand right now ill get adex if others think so too. waiting on mulciber to reply lol. hes one of the smartest people ive seen on here.
Banned
i have the tablet form is that the same thing. and what about my gains?? will i still get maximum results. i heard it will stop the growth.
Scammer
i dont care if its deca or tren ill still go with nolvadex.. actually i know the reason they say not to run nolvadex but im waiting for one of them to jump in with it, post the one little study, so i can debate the issue.... lol
you want to stop the estrogen from binding NOW not let it continue to get worse..you will be fine with nolvadex..
Scammer
imo the loss of gains id little to none.. and if you put a slight loss of gains up against a set of tits ill take the loss..
Banned
yeh true. now i need to do more research on nolva. i thought it would be a while before i touched them. 20mg/tablet a day and i should be fine? keep on it till gyno is gone.
Scammer
personally i run adex and 10mg nolvadex through my cycles..if problems arise i bang the nolvadex to 40mg till symptoms subside then back off to 20mg for remainder.
i had issues in the past, but only once did i have any issues now that i have been running both the adex and nolvadex all the way through.
in your case i think it hit 40mg nolvadex for a few days, see how that works then back off to 20
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kk thanks for the helpp. taking the nolva now and off to the gym!!
Anabolic Member
whats adex or letro?
Formula1 Aficionado
AI's ^^
i don't see how you can shoot down the idea of letro when its by far the strongest ai easily accessible, and has no issues with 19nors. you may get lucky yourself and not have any progesterone issues, but he might not be that lucky and nolva could make it worse. you can overnight letro and have it working in days and not risk making it any worse. or take a small chance on the nolva now...
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progesterone issues.. hell shoot be with straight progesterone i dont care..
gyno is part of a coordination of hormones. They are interrelated, so ideas of "progesterone induced gyno" are misleading. estrogen is a necessary component of breast development
progsterone is merely a part of a coordinated effort of hormones that MUST BE PRESENT in order for gyno to occur. progesterone cannot be simply elevated and poof,here comes gyno. estrogen must be present, which is the pathway through which most documented gyno occurs.
Prolactin, progesterone, GH, Estrogen, and IGF-1 are all stimulatory and act together to cause gyno.. keep the estrogen from binding to the receptor and your good.
progestins work via the PR. But their action via the PR does not cause gyno in any direct fashion. Progestins seems to be rather asexual in their characteristics. Progestins can aggravate estrogen related gyno, the current theory being an upgrading effect on the ER.
basically progesterone can only cause or aggravate gyno in the presence of circulating estrogen.
the letro is gonna stop the aromatisation of test to estrogen to a certain percent but do nothing about the circulating estrogen thats already there and causing the problems.. letro will not keep that estrogen from binding to the receptors.. the nolvadex will
Formula1 Aficionado
but you still increase progesterone and don't stop estrogen binding (albeit diminish it) with the nolva. i'm just saying that it could affect some people more than others, and as you said, it can aggravate the estrogen gyno which sounds like its already present.
Scammer
what im saying is without circulating estrogen progesterone will not be a factor..
if problems pop up you need to stop the circulating estrogen that is present from binding to the receptors asap which nolvadex will do. not try to limit the conversion of test to estrogen which is what an AI does. the estrogen causing the problem is already present.
i personally would run an AI as well to help prevent further issues but nolvadex would be the drug of choice to correct the existing problem asap.
Junior Member
straightout man ur in high school u shouldnt be on juice to begin with
get off the gear take ur pct now before u **** urself up completely.
not flaming u man read ur previous posts n that just looking out
uve still got a shit load of natural test and are way to young to use sus n deca.
anyone else agree with me that a 16 year old should but down the needle n pick up a book?
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ehh shit.. this cats only 16...
yeah, definately no need be be using gear at this point.
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