20ml Tren A + 40ml Prop in hand!

**steropower** · 10-20-2008, 10:42 AM

Both 100mg/ml.

I am ready to go.I just want to be sure before i start.

The plan is

Tren A 50mg/d
Prop 100mg/d

It will last about 6 weeks hopefuly.

Is this good?

Also do i need Caber from 1st day or wait for symptoms?

Hawthorn for BP + Cranberry extract for kidneys also.

Anything else?

First time on Tren.Just testing the reaction to the substance.

**mx3** · 10-20-2008, 12:28 PM

you probably wont need caber running tren at 50mg ed. have an ai on hand. cycle looks good what do you have planned for pct.

**Mulciber** · 10-20-2008, 03:33 PM

maybe run b6 at 200mg ed

**SpiderRico** · 10-20-2008, 03:34 PM

How many cycles have you done prior to this one?

**Nitro29** · 10-20-2008, 03:35 PM

Cycle seems a little short to me, and may as well go ahead and throw some Mast in for the cycle to be truly badass IMO

**SpiderRico** · 10-20-2008, 03:39 PM

well that also depends his usage history if hes never ran anything and jumping into a cycle like this thats not smart

**Nitro29** · 10-20-2008, 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by SpiderRico

well that also depends his usage history if hes never ran anything and jumping into a cycle like this thats not smart

Well yeah you got me there, thats a good point.

Would the OP please list cycle history.

I still think the cycle is too short.

**SpiderRico** · 10-20-2008, 04:01 PM

if he does have the history then your right it is too short this cycle should be about 10 to 12 weeks long

**MercyDog** · 10-20-2008, 05:50 PM

you don't have enough to start a cycle.............

or go mild

mix all the prop and tren together and go mild.......eod........... 12 weeks

**SpiderRico** · 10-20-2008, 06:11 PM

true but for the thread poster... whats your cycle history?

**rock75** · 10-20-2008, 06:12 PM

Originally Posted by Nitro29

Well yeah you got me there, thats a good point.

Would the OP please list cycle history.

I still think the cycle is too short.

i know plenty of people who run cycles of this length..(albeit they are more experience then the OP)

6 wks on 6 wks off
6 wks on 6 wks off

12 wks on 12 wks off

1 every 6 months(2/yr) or 1 every 3months (4/yr); which do you prefer?

**T_Own** · 10-20-2008, 06:49 PM

technically thats not a very good strategy ^^
supposed to be time on + pct = time off. so even a mild pct would be 6 on 3 pct = 9 off.

**SpiderRico** · 10-20-2008, 07:40 PM

Originally Posted by T_Own

technically thats not a very good strategy ^^
supposed to be time on + pct = time off. so even a mild pct would be 6 on 3 pct = 9 off.

110% true

**T3/T4 GSR** · 10-20-2008, 07:42 PM

He could do fine running a CC of each eod. The tren will be a little short but sometimes you gotta work with what you got.

**rock75** · 10-20-2008, 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by T_Own

technically thats not a very good strategy ^^
supposed to be time on + pct = time off. so even a mild pct would be 6 on 3 pct = 9 off.

technically i've always considered my time off inclusive of pct, but to each their own and even more technically using your method would be 12 wks on + 6 wks pct = 18 wks off so one cycle runs 36 wks; so you get 1 cycle a year; so technically speaking that's not a very good strategy

**steropower** · 10-21-2008, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by SpiderRico

if he does have the history then your right it is too short this cycle should be about 10 to 12 weeks long

I have the history.Just don't have experience with Tren .

I have tried even Fina around 2000 but not for too long or the proper way.

PCT Nolva,Vit E,HCG ,Proviron .Works wonders to me.

Is the gyno signs from Tren different than Test?

**Mulciber** · 10-21-2008, 11:12 AM

signs are the same.. gyno is gyno

**SpiderRico** · 10-21-2008, 12:16 PM

tren will not be the reason for gyno it doesnt aromatize so gyno has to be coming from test or another gear

**Nitro29** · 10-21-2008, 12:30 PM

Exactly, if your getting signs of gyno they aint coming from tren .

**dece870717** · 10-21-2008, 03:11 PM

Cycle length is fine especially since they are short esters, don't understand why people are recommending so much longer. I've ran plenty of cycles to know that longer is not really better or even necessary. Tren can give you progesterone gyno but that only seems to happen with higher doses and at that dose you should be fine.

**SpiderRico** · 10-21-2008, 03:22 PM

well longer is definitly not always better correct but he has enough gear for about 6 weeks i would run that cycle at least 8 to 10 minimum

**Mulciber** · 10-21-2008, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by dece870717

Tren can give you progesterone gyno

how does this work.. how does progesterone itself cause gyno

**dece870717** · 10-21-2008, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by Mulciber

how does this work.. how does progesterone itself cause gyno

"Trenbolone is also a noted progestin: it binds to the receptor of the female sex hormone progesterone (with about 60% of the actual strength progesterone) (17). In sentitive steroid .com members this can lead to bloat and breast growth worse still, trenbolones active metabolite17beta-trenbolone has a binding affinity to the progesterone receptor (PgR) that is actually greater than progesterone itself (18). No need to panic though, the anti-estrogens letrzole or fulvestrant can lower progesterone levels, and combat any progestenic sides. The use of a 19-nor compound like trenbolone also increases prolactin…. bromocriptine or cabergoline are often recommended to lower prolatin levels (20)."

Taken from the Tren profile. I've experienced Tren gyno before but only happened when I went to the high doses.

**SpiderRico** · 10-21-2008, 03:55 PM

what was the dosage?

**Mulciber** · 10-21-2008, 03:58 PM

i wouldnt worry to much about progesterone itself causing gyno..
progesterone can only aggravate gyno in the presence of circulating estrogen.
progestins work via the PR. But their action via the PR does not cause gyno in any direct fashion. now progestins can aggravate estrogen related gyno, the current theory being an upgrading effect on the ER.

**dece870717** · 10-21-2008, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by SpiderRico

what was the dosage?

Originally Posted by Mulciber

i wouldnt worry to much about progesterone itself causing gyno..
progesterone can only aggravate gyno in the presence of circulating estrogen.
progestins work via the PR. But their action via the PR does not cause gyno in any direct fashion. now progestins can aggravate estrogen related gyno, the current theory being an upgrading effect on the ER.

First time using Tren did Test Prop at 500mg/week with Tren Ace at 50mg/ED and no problems. Second time using Tren used Test Prop 50mg/EOD and Tren Ace at 100mg/ED and thats when the gyno started.

**SpiderRico** · 10-21-2008, 04:09 PM

you dont think it could have been with the test? and why were you running the tren higher then the test?

**dece870717** · 10-21-2008, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by SpiderRico

you dont think it could have been with the test? and why were you running the tren higher then the test?

Because I've read before that lower Test with Tren prevents that horrible Tren aggression. First time with the tren with 50mg/ED and 500mg/week Test I became a crazy aggressive person as many have experienced with Tren. Read about other people lowering Test so tried it myself with the second run with Tren, doubled the Tren and lowered the Test a lot and zero aggression problems. I don't know how it works or why but it does. Have had other guys do this and they had the same experience, first time through they got lots of Tren rage and then took my advice and next time around had zero aggression problems.

**SpiderRico** · 10-21-2008, 04:20 PM

intersesting good to know

**steropower** · 10-22-2008, 12:57 AM

I am confused!

What should i take for gyno?

I always have gyno signs from Test and solve this with Nolva.

What is the prefered drug here?

**DEVLDOG** · 10-22-2008, 09:17 AM

is that you in the avatar bro? no disrespect but you dont need tren at this point.

the proper way to take tren is to take enough where the sides are just bearable,not saying 50mg/day wont do anything but you definately wont get the most from it.i start at 80mg/day.up it 20mg every 3 days until the sides are unbearable then back it down 20mg and keep it there,its a tuff cycle but effective.around 180mg is effective for me,I have run it at this dose for as much as 6 months,sleeping 1/2hr a day sweating one minute and freezing the next but felt and looked better then ever.be prepared to move your shots around using prop and tren,your not gonna be able to shoot the same muscle day after day,i used bi's,tri's pecs...everything but calves,did that once and would never do it again

goodluck