All Oral Cycle for a beginner

[phinzfan79]

Hello Everyone,

I've never tried steroids but am very interested in cycling. I have been lifting for a long time; however, during my marriage I got very out of shape. I got up to almost 300 lbs at about 35% BF. I have been going to the gym for the past year pretty religiously (had a trainer and got myself on point with my diet)... I'm currently losing weight and am nearing my goal of 190 lbs at about 16% - 18% BF. Once I am there, I want to start with an all oral cycle (needles are not my friend). My stats are as followed:

29 years old
5'10
215 lbs
21% Body Fat

My questions is where should I start with steriods? I've been reading a lot and understand the risks that come along with this; however, I also undersand there are ways to be safe with it as well. Does anyone have any recommendations on some cycles and what to use?

[Charger527]

All oral cycles aren't a good idea, they are very rough on your liver. If you want to run a cycle you would be best with a test only cycle to begin with. i have not heard of any oral test so you would be injecting, research around this site and you will find plenty of info on substances you can take. Also have a good read about PCT (post cycle therapy) which helps combat sides and keep your gains. I think that would be a good start.

[MercyDog]

get right with your wife, she can do your glute shots, untill then no comment. Congrats on the weight lose!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Bio-boosted]

needles don't hurt. At worst it's like being pinched by a big meany lmao

Seriously tho, stick with the dieting (yr doing great) and read over the stickys on the steroid and PCT sections so if you do go for it in the near future you'll have a better understanding of whats what. No rush man.
There are orals you can do alone but you'd be well advised to go for testosterone first

[SpiderRico]

you wont get the results you are hoping to get with oral only and also its just not what your going to expect. needles arent anything trussst me i know a bunch of girls who do it with out flintching trust me 95% were nervious our first pinch but i bet 100% were like that was nothing afterwards

[scribbs12]

an all oral cycles not so great.. you'll get better results if you stick yourself... and not all orals are harsh on your liver as charger was saying.. you can actually do some anavar .. you'll keep most of what you gain but.. most dont gain alot from anavar... but you'll still notice strength and muscle gains.. or there's always tbol.. look into them .. read up on them.. congrats on the weight loss too.. good luck

[anabolictonic]

yer ditto you feel like a bit of a tool after your first shot thinking shit why did i think that was gonna be so hard it was piss easy! lol just man up youl be glad you did... there is an oral testosterone its called andriol but its almost not worth mentioning.. dosesages are rediculous high and its not that easy to find... to phinzfan keep workin on that bf your doing a gr8 job i bet its really rewarding - youl want to get it to atleast 14% before cycing i reckon - especially having been over weight in the past you have to be a little more cautious than others - if you blow out on cycle you increase the chance of gyno. Hows your blood pressure? anyway man needles are fine - youl see wat i mean when you do your first shot youl wanna change you name to p i n z fan :P if you wanted to hurry it along you could always look into clen/t3 combo to help strip fat but thats not my area of expertise so il just put it out there for you to look into

[phinzfan79]

Thanks for all the info! I'm actually going in this week to get my blood work done to ensure that I'm good to go with supplementing at all. Once I get that info, if all is good, I'll begin supplementing. As for post cycles, that's what I've been reading the most on. I'm all about doing it right. I used Tren Extreme before and noticed great gains in strength and pretty good size. I don't have the numbers, but I've been considering taking it again.

As for an all oral stack; the stuff I was thinking of using in an 11 week stack was Anadrol 50, Dianabol, Nolvadex, Proviron, and Clomid in the following fashion:

Andadrol Wk 1 - 50mg/day Wk 2&3 - 100mg/day Wk4&5 - 150mg/day
Nolvadex Wk 2-5 - 20mg/day
Dianabol Wk 6&7 - 40mg/day Wk 8&9 - 30mg/day
Proviron Wk 6-9 - 50mg/day
Clomid Wk 10 - 100mg/day Wk 11 - 50mg/day

Is this pretty much pointless? I've heard a lot of stuff about needles being dangerous in if you don't inject it properly you can really do some damage. Any thoughts?

[anabolictonic]

your liver will hate you on that cycle and pinning with a blindfold on i spose would be dangerous... but other than that its not dangerous if you follow the basics

[phinzfan79]

I actually just read more of the newbie posts placed by the mods on the board. Great info on the injection sites, types of needles, etc. I just really don't like needles... but again, I don't want to hurt my liver either. Everything I'm reading is showing that I should still try to gain without juice. Do you have any advice on supplements that would help give me good gains outside of the obvious protein? As I related in my last post, I have used Tren Extreme and loved it... anybody else ever use it?

[Charger527]

i rekon your best bet is to inject, rub some ice your skin before you inject and you wont feel anything at all. your pain receptors are near the surface of the skin so once they are numb you wont have any probs. and dont forget TEST IS BEST

[Bio-boosted]

I've heard a lot of stuff about needles being dangerous in if you don't inject it properly you can really do some damage. Any thoughts?

There're not dangerous haha. There's diabetic children jabbing themselves everyday mate.
The chances of hitting a nerve are tiny and are lessened even more by reading the injection stickys and threads on this board. Read them and it will not happen.
Example oral cycle:-
wk 1-4 Tbol 40mg ED
wk 5 50mg ED
wk 6 60...
wk 7 40..
wk 8+9 20mg nolva ED (or better, 100mg clomid for 20 days)
Less than 200 Tbols needed this cycle if budgeting

[magic32]

After the semi-satisfying oral results, curiosity will (and it always does) win out causing you graduate, so you might as well cut out the middle man and begin now. As for needles, if your pain threshold is too low for a needle maybe you're just not tough enough for aas.

Nevertheless, pain only occurs when nerves are involved, therefore you can eliminate it. Should you strike a nerve upon insertion, pull back slightly (not out completely) and reposition the pin on another angle for a smooth painless stick.

[SpiderRico]

After the semi-satisfying oral results, curiosity will (and it always does) win out causing you graduate, so you might as well cut out the middle man and begin now. As for needles, if your pain threshold is too low for a needle maybe you're just not tough enough for aas.

Nevertheless, pain only occurs when nerves are involved, therefore you can eliminate it. Should you strike a nerve upon insertion, pull back slightly (not out completely) and reposition the pin on another angle for a smooth painless stick.

Very true ive also have seen this happen many of times and once you go to the **** you will feel stupid and think why you didnt do that from the beginning

[Nitro29]

Orals suck bro. When your ready make it test e @250mgx2 W.

Anybody can handle pinning twice a week (then you'll see theres nothing to it) and you will have awesome results...nitro

[phinzfan79]

Thanks for the good info guys.

[DEVLDOG]

I ran anadrol and dbol together for 8 weeks,honestly I felt like shit,I have tons of experience with this and just did it for the sheer purpose of seeing how i reacted to it and i reacted just like i thought i would,got severe bloat and severe headaches.they both do two seperate things once in the body so taking them together makes sense on paper but in reality it isnt a good combo,not for me anyway,I love em both but run seperately with atleast some test.