Gyno Help

**reddragon4954** · 10-22-2008, 05:23 PM

I am in PCT right now. Running 25mg ED Nolva and 25mg Aromasin . I squeezed my nipps the other day and some discharge came out, is this progestin gyno!!!?????

I just got off a Halodrol 50 cycle and was not using any progestins. Can someone tell me what to do, I dont want gyno, and I know nolva can make progestin gyno worse, but Im OFF cycle so Im a bit confused if thats progestin problems?

Any help???

**LATS60** · 10-22-2008, 05:44 PM

You need bromo or caber if your lactating, asap.

**reddragon4954** · 10-22-2008, 05:49 PM

Just ordered some.

Im into PCT, should I stopp the nolva b/c that can make things worse. How should I continue.

Should I just run aromasin ?

**LATS60** · 10-22-2008, 05:50 PM

Iv'e just seen your other thread, is this why you want these tests done?
There are other causes of prolactinoma, so if this is your reason you would be wise to have a other relevant pituitary tests.

**LATS60** · 10-22-2008, 05:58 PM

Taking aromasin won't do any harm or make matters worse, it won't help supress prolactin though.

**reddragon4954** · 10-22-2008, 06:29 PM

Should I stop the nolva though?

I mean I should have caber in a few days? I will get that and run 1mg ED until stuff subsides, but until then you can still recover with just aromasin , but should I stop taking the nolva?

**magic32** · 10-22-2008, 07:25 PM

Sup Red?

Firstly, lactation isn't a gyno prequisite.
#2, Nolva can't exacerbate a 19-Nor caused side effect when you're post cycle.
C, don't take every PCT ingredient in existence...drop the Mase when you begin the Caber to prevent AI redundancy. You can continue the Nolva without contraindications of any sort.
IV), your problem is likely just a hormonal imbalance. How long have you been on PCT?
Lastly, why are you squeezing your nipples anyway? If they're not independently discharging, why are you milking yourself?

**reddragon4954** · 10-22-2008, 09:37 PM

Hey Magic,

So continue with the Nolva? And if its not a progestin problem then why are my nips lactating when squeezed?

Just everyone says nolva makes progestin gyno worse, so would it not be safer to just continue with the aromasin 25mg Ed and caber?

**rhino1** · 10-22-2008, 09:40 PM

"if it has teets it can be milked..." "i have teets greg....can you milk me?"

**Mulciber** · 10-22-2008, 09:42 PM

stay on the nolvadex .. get the caber..may take 600mg b6 ed and see it that helps at all while the caber is on the way

**chitownhoker** · 10-22-2008, 09:49 PM

you are not going to need 1mg every day...thats a lil overboard, and VERY expensive....try .5 every day or every other day and you will be fine

btw, did you get the liquid form or pill form?

**reddragon4954** · 10-22-2008, 10:37 PM

All I can get is liquid caber.

So, just make sure im understanding everything.

Stay on the nolva wont make things worse right? And just ad in caber at .5mg ED?

If its not progestin then why is this happening? Just nervous that im shooting myself in the foot using nolva.

**Mulciber** · 10-22-2008, 10:48 PM

elevated prolactin levels..
your fine with the nolvadex bro..

**chitownhoker** · 10-22-2008, 10:53 PM

no your not fine with just nolvadex ...keep useing but you need the caber to reduce to prolactin levels...did you already order it, i know a website where you can get the pill form much cheaper

**Mulciber** · 10-22-2008, 10:58 PM

uh, the caber has already been covered.

**magic32** · 10-23-2008, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by reddragon4954

Hey Magic,

So continue with the Nolva? And if its not a progestin problem then why are my nips lactating when squeezed?

Just everyone says nolva makes progestin gyno worse, so would it not be safer to just continue with the aromasin 25mg Ed and caber?

Again, Nolva cannot make estro (of any kind) problems worse "post cycle"...NOLVA IS FINE! All of your levels are regressing towards normalcy during PCT, some faster and others slower, so calm down and permit your endocrine system to do its job. By the way nipple discharge is far more indicative of elevated Prolactin levels not Progestin...but you're still on the right path. Bromo is more reactive (works faster) but Caber is more suppressive (works better at substantially lower dosages).

And like Chitown said, that's way too much; I'd even reduce his recommendation. Higher dosages don't correct problems sooner, they only serve to shorten serum saturation time and to increase overall active duration. Gyno prone Caber use is .25mg E4D, but since you're practically nursing your young, you can safely increase to the upper limit of the hyper range which is 1mg. until the problem is resolved then reduce to preventive protocol for the duration of PCT. At that dose resolution shouldn't take more than 2 days!

Pharmacodynamics

Dose response with inhibition of plasma prolactin, onset of maximal effect, and duration of effect has been documented following single Cabergoline doses to healthy volunteers (0.05 to 1.5 mg) and hyperprolactinemic patients (0.3 to 1 mg). In volunteers, prolactin inhibition was evident at doses >0.2 mg, while doses ≥0.5 mg caused maximal suppression in most subjects. Higher doses produce prolactin suppression in a greater proportion of subjects and with an earlier onset and longer duration of action. In 12 healthy volunteers, 0.5, 1 and 1.5 mg doses resulted in complete prolactin inhibition, with a maximum effect within 3 hours in 92% to 100% of subjects after the 1 and 1.5 mg doses compared with 50% of subjects after the 0.5 mg dose.

In hyperprolactinemic patients (n=51), the maximal prolactin decrease after a 0.6 mg single dose of Cabergoline was comparable to 2.5 mg bromocriptine; however, the duration of effect was markedly longer (14 days vs 24 hours). The time to maximal effect was shorter for bromocriptine than Cabergoline (6 hours vs 48 hours).

http://www.drugs.com/pro/cabergoline.html

Also, you never answered my question as to where you are in PCT (week 1, 2, 3...)?

**Ashop** · 10-23-2008, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by reddragon4954

I am in PCT right now. Running 25mg ED Nolva and 25mg Aromasin . I squeezed my nipps the other day and some discharge came out, is this progestin gyno!!!?????

I just got off a Halodrol 50 cycle and was not using any progestins. Can someone tell me what to do, I dont want gyno, and I know nolva can make progestin gyno worse, but Im OFF cycle so Im a bit confused if thats progestin problems?

Any help???

your not the 1st one ive heard developing this type of gyno by these so called OTC prohormones.

**reddragon4954** · 10-23-2008, 03:57 PM

Thanks for the help majic and others. I did not know there was a difference between progesting and prolactin. I just figured if juice is coming out then you got a progestin problem.

I started PCT on the 13th of October, so about mid of week 2. I think one reason Im having trouble is i was on letro a long time and coming off might have done this. Got an allergic reaction to letro somehow and had to come off asap,

So im hoping the 20mg nolva and 25mg aromasin ED will be enough to prevent gyno from getting any worse!!! Along with the caber on the way.

**magic32** · 10-25-2008, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by ****

your not the 1st one ive heard developing this type of gyno by these so called OTC prohormones.

ANYTHING with the capacity to alter the Test/Estro ratio is potentially gyno developing for HUMAN MALES OF ALL AGES. I often cite the example below to impress upon others the the seemingly limitless simplicity and infinite possibilities for initiating this condition:

http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/abstract/356/5/479