Help with next cycle

**rokipoki** · 10-23-2008, 05:53 AM

Hey guys, i will start my next cycle in january,

Now i have a question.

The best thing for me would be a short ester, but i must not have to much pain, because i will atend an academy, where i will be doing a fair amount of phsyical exercise, selfdefence etc.

Now i am okay with lets say eod injections.
What would be the most fitting steroid for me. I was thinking test propionat, but i read that it can be fairly painfull.
So all the help u guys can give me will be greatly appriciated.

Cycle history :

12 weeks Test E( at week 6 i switched up to sust, was unable to get test e )
10 weeks Deca
For pct i used nolva + proviron + hcg

Tnx,
R.

**Big** · 10-23-2008, 06:14 AM

some prop stings some people, some is painless, just depends on how it's made. I prefer to shoot prop ed, but that's just me.
if you're planning another 12 week cycle, why not just run long esters?

**rokipoki** · 10-23-2008, 06:30 AM

Well i would actualy preffer a shorter cycle, lets say a 6 week cycle.
6 weeks would be the best for me.
What kind of gains can i expect from prop 6 weeks ?

**Big** · 10-23-2008, 06:41 AM

there are lots of variables when it comes to gains, genetics, diet, training, etc.
if you want a short cycle then I would go with short esters shot ed, but that's just me.

**Dinosaur** · 10-23-2008, 06:44 AM

minimum is 8 weeker cycle, but it all depends on u' re diet and workout.
i would say for short esters with a good diet 10lbs to 20lbs good pounds.

**legobricks** · 10-23-2008, 07:17 AM

ACtually you can do cycles as low as 4 weeks and still produce good results.

As far as side effects go, prop ED seemed to be the lowest for sides. Enanthate and deca like you mentioned should blow you up like a balloon and if your going thru the academy you will be questioned.

**rokipoki** · 10-23-2008, 08:56 AM

Originally Posted by legobricks

ACtually you can do cycles as low as 4 weeks and still produce good results.

As far as side effects go, prop ED seemed to be the lowest for sides. Enanthate and deca like you mentioned should blow you up like a balloon and if your going thru the academy you will be questioned.

yes, that is my concern, that i won't be questioned. So legobricks, how would a 4 week cycle look like ( how many mg's of prop ed /pwk ), and should i use prop alone, or do i use something else with it ? also , how much time after the last prop shot do i start taking pct( i think it's 2 days, am i right ) , and for how long ( will use nolva + proviron )

Tnx,
R.

**legobricks** · 10-23-2008, 09:34 AM

Originally Posted by rokipoki

yes, that is my concern, that i won't be questioned. So legobricks, how would a 4 week cycle look like ( how many mg's of prop ed /pwk ), and should i use prop alone, or do i use something else with it ? also , how much time after the last prop shot do i start taking pct( i think it's 2 days, am i right ) , and for how long ( will use nolva + proviron )

Tnx,
R.

I apologize, i didnt clarify the short cycles.....

I would honestly not go less then six weeks but the sweet spot for me and most is 8 weeks using a short ester.

Shorter cycles like 4 weeks require prior dieting such as carb cycling and then using heavy doses of AAS for the brief period.

So with that being said, shoot for 8. Using something such as prop the sides should be minimal and the water retention not near as much as enanthate . I dont know but prop for me really wasnt that painful at all and i shot ED for 7 weeks.

**rokipoki** · 10-23-2008, 10:32 AM

oh, okey , and what gains did u experience in 7 weeks ?
Also how muchtime after did u start your pct, and at what dosage did u shot prop ? It is usualy @ 50mg's ed , am i right?

And also, i read that people are cutting it with oil,but we have no labs here, can i buy that oil in a regular pharmacy and what do i say what kind of oil i need ?

**rokipoki** · 10-23-2008, 05:23 PM

*bump*

**rokipoki** · 10-24-2008, 03:48 AM

Cummon guys, someone, anyone ?

**MercyDog** · 10-24-2008, 04:02 AM

oil from a research company,,,,,USP, but cutting it isn't always a good idea

50ed will work ok for 12-16 weeks
100ed for 8-10 weeks

these are just starting points

**rokipoki** · 10-24-2008, 04:07 AM

my plan is to use it for about 6-8 weeks, so u think that i should just start out with 100mg /ed ? Will that not be to much ?

And also, i start PCT after 3 days of my last injection, is that correct ?
Do you guys think, that i should run this cycle alone, or should i mix something else with it ?
Tnx,
R.

**MercyDog** · 10-24-2008, 04:24 AM

hard for me to advise what doses is right for you at 6-8w, 100ed for me is a light dose but heavy for most. Depends on prep for sides. Test alone works.

**anabolictonic** · 10-24-2008, 06:47 AM

definately shoot every day ... it may hinder u at academy shooting eod as shooting twice the amount of gear every shot = more pain

yer newhere from 75mg -100mg ed will do you just fine...

maybe mix in some var or proviron just throwin it out there...

if your shooting ed then start pct after 3 days if your shooting eod prob start about 5 days after last shot