How much can needle length, i.e. 'depth of Injection', affect Post Injection Pain???

[GrandmasterSpank]

I ask as I did my 1st jab 4 days ago,- which was 1cc Sustanon 250 in my right thigh muscle, and it's still aching like a mother. Yes, it's virgin muscle, but fact is I used a 1 1/2 inch pin for my quad, and only just 5mins ago read that 1 1/2 inch pins are best reserved for Glute shots only,...with a 5/8 inch OR 1 inch pins being optimum for shooting most other sites, e.g. quads, delts, arms etc..

Anyway, my question is,- how much can injecting a little too deep into the muscle (through the muscle!? No, surely not!) affect PIP, and also, if so, why would this cause more pain if it's still in the muscle tissue, albeit deeper?

[redz]

You should be ok but I personally wouldnt sink a 1.5" pin in my quads, 1" is perfect for that. I have huge quads but still wouldnt want to go in that far. You should be fine.

[GrandmasterSpank]

Ha, thanks redz! As it goes I've pretty scrawny quads at the moment & my bf is about 10%,...so that's another reason I was a bit concerned I'd gone too deep with the 1 1/2. Thanks for your reply.

[GrandmasterSpank]

What size goes better for Glute shots & Quad shots anyway,- 21Gs or 23Gs???

[Gears]

What size goes better for Glute shots & Quad shots anyway,- 21Gs or 23Gs???

I use 25g 1" for everything now, even glutes. I`m not a big fan of anything bigger and I havent had any issues thus far.

[GrandmasterSpank]

Hmm, 25G eh, interesting! I used a 21G with a 1 1/2inch pin for my Quad shot 4 days ago, so probably not the best option. I have some 23Gs with the jab-pack I got so maybe I'll try one of those next time...

[WARMachine]

You should be ok but I personally wouldnt sink a 1.5" pin in my quads, 1" is perfect for that. I have huge quads but still wouldnt want to go in that far. You should be fine.

Agree!

[LATS60]

Well i just use 1 1/4 23g blue for everything, saves money too, yea i'm tight.

[GrandmasterSpank]

That's exactly the same as I have LATS60,- '1 1/4 23Gs'. I got an injection pack from the local Pharmacy,- has 1 1/2 21Gs & 1 1/4 23Gs in it, so I'll prob use a 23G and do a glut shot next time.

I've written up a few 'Injection pointers' for myself to use, which is based on what I've researched last few days...I would be happy to hear ppls opinion/critique on anything I could modify/add...

1. Always use a clean, organised, and sterile set-up.
2. Use a 23G 1 1/2 Inch needle for Gluteal Injections.
3. Use a 23-25G 1 - 1 1/4 Inch needle for Quad & Deltoid Injections.
4. Warm Ampoule in hot water for 2-5mins prior to injection.
5. Score the neck of the Ampoule with a metal file, to ease opening.
6. Use one needle to draw & another to inject.
7. Swab chosen injection area.
8. Inject area at a 90 degree angle, and swiftly i.e. with a 'darting' motion.
9. Aspirate!!! - Pull back plunger approx ¼ ml. (Abort jab if blood is drawn!)
10. Inject 'very slowly',- the slower the better. 15-30 secs per ml.
11. Wait 10 secs before removing needle.
12. Swab area with alcohol wipe
13. Massage area firmly for a minute.
14. Apply a heat pad / Hot Water Bottle.
15. Exercise soon after to increase blood flow to the area.

[GrandmasterSpank]

For anyone's who's interested...

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...injection+pain

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=343692

[Lach01]

That's exactly the same as I have LATS60,- '1 1/4 23Gs'. I got an injection pack from the local Pharmacy,- has 1 1/2 21Gs & 1 1/4 23Gs in it, so I'll prob use a 23G and do a glut shot next time.

I've written up a few 'Injection pointers' for myself to use, which is based on what I've researched last few days...I would be happy to hear ppls opinion/critique on anything I could modify/add...

1. Always use a clean, organised, and sterile set-up.
2. Use a 23G 1 1/2 Inch needle for Gluteal Injections.
3. Use a 23-25G 1 - 1 1/4 Inch needle for Quad & Deltoid Injections.
4. Warm Ampoule in hot water for 2-5mins prior to injection.
5. Score the neck of the Ampoule with a metal file, to ease opening.
6. Use one needle to draw & another to inject.
7. Swab chosen injection area.
8. Inject area at a 90 degree angle, and swiftly i.e. with a 'darting' motion.
9. Aspirate!!! - Pull back plunger approx ¼ ml. (Abort jab if blood is drawn!)
10. Inject 'very slowly',- the slower the better. 15-30 secs per ml.
11. Wait 10 secs before removing needle.
12. Swab area with alcohol wipe
13. Massage area firmly for a minute.
14. Apply a heat pad / Hot Water Bottle.
15. Exercise soon after to increase blood flow to the area.

Yup you got it in one, and after your first few cycles it'll be 2nd nature and complain of nurses jabbing you.

[JiGGaMaN]

I stay away from quads because i find them the most painful. I use 1.5" everywhere.

[GrandmasterSpank]

...Well, I just did my 2nd Sustanon250 jab a moment ago. I jabbed my right Glute this time, with a 1-1/4Inch 23G needle as recommended, and followed my new 'protocol' to the letter (see above). I'll post again tomorrow and let you know if all the fancy pointers I laid out above make any difference to the level of Post Injection Pain...Thanks everyone for your input!

[mrtosa]

Great post... It happens to me with prop but I did the opposite I used 3/4inch 30g and the pain was incredible...I think the prop stay subcutaneus wich I think is even more painfull!!!

[LATS60]

Great post... It happens to me with prop but I did the opposite I used 3/4inch 30g and the pain was incredible...I think the prop stay subcutaneus wich I think is even more painfull!!!

Erm, only if you didn't inject deep enough.

[GT2]

Well i just use 1 1/4 23g blue for everything, saves money too, yea i'm tight.

I still can't believe so many of you BUY your pins.

[LATS60]

I still can't believe so many of you BUY your pins.

Why not, they are dead cheap?