First run

[Bad Viking]

Hi all!

First of all i would like to say...what a great site
Been around for a little while now,and have been studying steroidsprofiles,diet,pct and feel kind of ready for my first cycle now.

Been busting my ass off to get my bf down,and it turned out really good....11kgs in 16 weeks. Really happy about that!!!
I have been lifting on and off since i was 17 yrs,but i did not get serious about it until i was in the army(21yrs old). I lifted about 4 yrs with decent results imo,but when i started as a fisher i could not mantain my gains.

Anyway...some stats:
32 years old.
6.0
205 pounds
bf +-15

Here is some of the gear i have:
2 10ml vials of test p
3 10ml vials of test e
100 10mg tbol
35 50mg winny

1 10ml vial of arimidex(liquid)
40 20mg Nolva

Test E.........week 1-12
Test P.........week 1-4 (Tbol incase alot of pain...yeye i know..*****)
Winny.........week 8-out?? Help with this

Arimidex for AI,and Nolva for pct.

Is this a horrible cycle??...inputs please. Starts in about 10 days.

Best regards
BV

[Mulciber]

if you use the winny id go 9-14

what doses you plan on running

[Bad Viking]

Hi Mulciber

I am not sure yet about dosages,but i guess 1ml Test E and 0.8ml Test Prop.
Could i go lower or should i bump it up?
Thanks for ur input on winny...Noted!

[Mulciber]

id run..

test e 500mg a week 1-12 ( 2 shots a week)
prop 50/75mg ed 1-4
winny 50mg ed 9-14

adex .25 ed/eod through cycle

personally id add clomid into pct with the nolvadex

[SK1Viking]

Go Vikings

[Bad Viking]

Thanx again Mulciber

Clomid u say....what dosages then. I hear some fellas getting blury vision,from dosages over 50mg? I could get both clomid and proviron if needed.
What i can not get is letro
Little question: i will take the prop eod in the start,and how low could i go in dosage? It`s my first time and i will take it easy if i could.

SK1Viking:

[spankey]

you could do something like for clomid

Day 1 250mg
Days 2-11 100mg/day
Days 12-21 50mg/day

you may feel a little shitty and may not be able to sleep though but just stick it out

blurred vision is rare and you need to take a continual high dosage for it to manifest

for prop, i tested it on my turtle @ 50mg eod before and that seemed to be fine for him but you may wanna try 75mg eod

hope that helps

Thanx again Mulciber

Clomid u say....what dosages then. I hear some fellas getting blury vision,from dosages over 50mg? I could get both clomid and proviron if needed.
What i can not get is letro
Little question: i will take the prop eod in the start,and how low could i go in dosage? It`s my first time and i will take it easy if i could.

SK1Viking:

[Bad Viking]

Hi Spankey!

Omfg i had a good laugh about ur turtle...hehe
Anyway i think the clomid dosages you are suggesting is quite high??

Ty for prop suggestion

[spankey]

haha ya he's a pretty hardy turtle ..been through alot

but thats how i ran clomid when i used it. idk i stay away from it because it gets me a little sad. I just dont feel right on it clomid blues

front loading it is pretty standard and so are those dosages.
just start it 2 weeks after your last Test E injection

[Bad Viking]

lol Spankey...so no bitch tits on ur turtle? haha

I still have clomid on hold,until some of the vets says diffrent...comment this please.
I am not frontloading am i? Just use prop as a kicker??

Quick question: You guys throw away ur draw needles after you used it,or could it be used again?

[Mulciber]

i dont like to run the dose that high the first day.. that first day was always when i did have trouble with the sides with clomid.. used the old 300/100/50 potocol back in the day..backed it off and run it a tad longer. now i run 100mg ed and 20mg nolvadex ed for 30 days..would probly be fine with 50/20 for 30..

[Mulciber]

dump the pins..yes, prop being used as a kick your not frontloading.. in that case you would be doubling the dose for the first few weeks ..

[Bad Viking]

Ty Mulciber...noting down ur clomid suggestion.
I might try 50mg for starters,and back it down.
Like this maby: 50/50/50/50

Ok i bin the pins after i draw with them.

Edited the dosages

[Bad Viking]

Ok fellas...setting up my final plan for cycle.

Week 1-12 Test E...500mg pr week(two shots)
Week 1-4 Test P...0.5-0.8ml eod
Week 9-14 Winny 50mg ed

AI
Week 1-12 Arimidex 0.25 ed

PCT
Week 14-18 Nolva 20/20/20/20
Week 14-18 Clomid 50/50/25/25

Does it look ok?
Could i wait with the Ari until i see bloat/sides?

Best regards
BV

[ottomaddox]

I'd hold onto the A-dex, and only use if necessary.

Ok fellas...setting up my final plan for cycle.

Week 1-12 Test E...500mg pr week(two shots)
Week 1-4 Test P...0.5-0.8ml eod
Week 9-14 Winny 50mg ed

AI
Week 1-12 Arimidex 0.25 ed

PCT
Week 14-18 Nolva 20/20/20/20
Week 14-18 Clomid 50/50/25/25

Does it look ok?
Could i wait with the Ari until i see bloat/sides?

Best regards
BV

[Bad Viking]

Ty ottomaddox

I`ll wait with the ari and see how it goes then...rest looks ok?

[richtries]

persoanally if your at all paranoid about gyno then i would run the ai as a precaution, rather than using it when symptoms arise, not pleasant. Also prop should be pinned ed for more stable blood levels . . . optimum results.

[Bad Viking]

Ty for ur input richtries.
I am aware about prop should be pinned ed,but i`ll choose to pin eod mainly because this is my first cycle and the fact that i hate needles.
My other option is tbol as a kicker,but i will wait and see how things go.
If i get used or even like to pin i will switch to ED on prop.

[Mulciber]

Ok fellas...setting up my final plan for cycle.

Week 1-12 Test E...500mg pr week(two shots)
Week 1-4 Test P...0.5-0.8ml eod
Week 9-14 Winny 50mg ed

AI
Week 1-12 Arimidex 0.25 ed

PCT
Week 14-18 Nolva 20/20/20/20
Week 14-18 Clomid 50/50/25/25

Does it look ok?
Could i wait with the Ari until i see bloat/sides?

Best regards
BV

looks good to me..
i run an AI from the start but thats up to you.

[Bad Viking]

Ok but what is the downside about waiting with ari?
Would it get harder to fight bloat/sides if they appear?

Thanx for ur help Mulciber

[Mulciber]

well i prefer to be proactive and limit the conversion of test to estrogen from the start.
i think running an AI after gyno symptoms pop up isnt the best choice. since the estrogen is already there think nolvadex is the best option. so i run the AI from the start to limit the amount of circulating estrogen ( goal is to try and keep estrogen within normal levels ) and limit water retention. nolvadex atleast onhand to keep the estrogen from binding to the receptors if gyno symptoms still become an issue.

[Bad Viking]

well i prefer to be proactive and limit the conversion of test to estrogen from the start.
i think running an AI after gyno symptoms pop up isnt the best choice. since the estrogen is already there think nolvadex is the best option. so i run the AI from the start to limit the amount of circulating estrogen ( goal is to try and keep estrogen within normal levels ) and limit water retention. nolvadex atleast onhand to keep the estrogen from binding to the receptors if gyno symptoms still become an issue.

Good!

Then i will take ari from the start.