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    cruising dosage(to devildog)

    hey guys and devildog:


    What do you think about cruising dosaging , i know that devildog actually cruise at 500 mg per week , thats one hell of a cruise , what is the ideal cruising dosage , and how do you keep yourself from estrogenic side effects devildog on that kind of dosage?? i dont wanna keep taking nolva every friggin day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverTest View Post
    hey guys and devildog:


    What do you think about cruising dosaging , i know that devildog actually cruise at 500 mg per week , thats one hell of a cruise , what is the ideal cruising dosage , and how do you keep yourself from estrogenic side effects devildog on that kind of dosage?? i dont wanna keep taking nolva every friggin day.

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    Sorry but that is not a cruising dose and I dont care if you are Ronnie Coleman.

    100mg to 200mg a week is more than enough to cruise on IMO

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    i see , thats what i thought , if i shoot 250 per week , to what do these levels compare ?? like the levels of a teen ? or more than any human could secrete?

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    and no i'm not ronnie coleman haha lol

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    I cruise on sust 250mg E9D, a cruise dose of 100-125mg wk is enough.

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    isn't 100 a HRT dose? isn't this level the same as a male would produce?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverTest View Post
    isn't 100 a HRT dose? isn't this level the same as a male would produce?
    No, males produce approx 4-9mg test daily.
    So what dose do you want to cruise on?

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    150-200mg is a TRT dose.

    i would cruise at that.

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    250 mg of Test E per week

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    what the heck's the point of cruising if its an HRT dose ?? i dont understand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverTest View Post
    what the heck's the point of cruising if its an HRT dose ?? i dont understand.
    Well it depends on why you are cruising, whats your reason?

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    to have test levels a little bit higher than normal , enough to give me an edge.while not overdosing.

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    for example i know that 1000 ng is high normal , i would like it to be maybe about 1500-1700 ng

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverTest View Post
    what the heck's the point of cruising if its an HRT dose ?? i dont understand.
    well first we need to know way more info then your giving

    stats, experience

    age... why you want to cruise. whats the point. whats the end goal

    are you cruising from your last cycle to your next cycle?

    if your just doin that... then Trt is great. steady levels. you will keep your gains from last cycle. you'll be a bit higher then normal levels (depending on your age) if you run 200mg/week which will still give you gains if your diet and training are strong

    you cant just ask a question with out givin us the basic info we need to help

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    I'm with you, so instead of running PCT you want to cruise between cycles?
    Iv'e been doing that a few years, but i'm 48.
    I wouldn't recommend it to anyone who is young or hasn't had at least 5 yrs steroid experience, but 250mg test wk will keep you up there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverTest View Post
    for example i know that 1000 ng is high normal , i would like it to be maybe about 1500-1700 ng
    high normal.. for what age. you forget that your test levels decline with age.

    so if your 30. then 200mg is a bit stronger then normal.

    if your 20. then 200 is like normal

    (hypothetically. not actually sure of exact levels and ages)
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverTest View Post
    for example i know that 1000 ng is high normal , i would like it to be maybe about 1500-1700 ng
    This is nonsense. the top of the range for an adult male is 900ng/dl. That is all you need to be at to cruise IMO

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    ok i am 5 10 , 200 lbs , 15 % bodyfat , i am 23 years old , my test level is a liiiittle bit low , its 550ng - 600 ng , i feel i can use a little boost , and i really dont care of being on for life really , i have thought about it a lot , and i am responsible for what happens if i take this route . i know everybody will freak out about my age and stuff, but its my decision and i know the "dangers" of cruise and blast .

    I've done 3 cycles before.

    i want to cruise and blast basically.


    and devildog where are u man, still waiting for ur input.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverTest View Post
    ok i am 5 10 , 200 lbs , 15 % bodyfat , i am 23 years old , my test level is a liiiittle bit low , its 550ng - 600 ng , i feel i can use a little boost , and i really dont care of being on for life really , i have thought about it a lot , and i am responsible for what happens if i take this route . i know everybody will freak out about my age and stuff, but its my decision and i know the "dangers" of cruise and blast .

    I've done 3 cycles before.

    i want to cruise and blast basically.


    and devildog where are u man, still waiting for ur input.
    You will be sorry IMO !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverTest View Post
    ok i am 5 10 , 200 lbs , 15 % bodyfat , i am 23 years old , my test level is a liiiittle bit low , its 550ng - 600 ng , i feel i can use a little boost , and i really dont care of being on for life really , i have thought about it a lot , and i am responsible for what happens if i take this route . i know everybody will freak out about my age and stuff, but its my decision and i know the "dangers" of cruise and blast .

    I've done 3 cycles before.

    i want to cruise and blast basically.


    and devildog where are u man, still waiting for ur input.

    well im bettin that your levels are low cuz you did your previous cycles and your PCT wasnt up to Par?

    so how bout do another PCT. see if the novla and clomid cant get your test levels up a bit into normal.

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    You know the ramifications, it's your choice, no one can make that decision for you and i certainly wouldn't recommend it.

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    not at all my PCT 's were exact believe i am reasearching this from over 3 years reading everyday about it for 3 to 4 hours, meeting people with experience ...etc...,maybe i am not experienced a lot but i sure do know a heck of a lot about it.

    humm.... but ok before i do it , i will do a PCT again , and see what happens.

    what PCT do you advise me to do dukkit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverTest View Post
    not at all my PCT 's were exact believe i am reasearching this from over 3 years reading everyday about it for 3 to 4 hours, meeting people with experience ...etc...,maybe i am not experienced a lot but i sure do know a heck of a lot about it.

    humm.... but ok before i do it , i will do a PCT again , and see what happens.

    what PCT do you advise me to do dukkit?
    shouldnt need to much. i would run

    clomid at 100mg/day week 1
    clomid at 50mg/day weel 2-4
    nolva at 40mg/day week 1-2
    nolva at 20mg/day week 3-4
    aromisin i forget what dose i use. i get confused. its either .25mg a day or 2.5mg a day. lol ill look that up.

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    if your levels are weak then nolva and clomid will help stimulate them a bit more and get them (hopefully) back to normal.

    i may even just leave the aromisin out. depends on how you feel your estrogen levels are?
    if your test is lower... then your estrogen shouldnt be bad. but it could still be a bit higher from your cycles and weak PCTs

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    i wouldnt recommend HCG for this. your nuts are producing test. so they arent in atrophy. they just arent pumping it out as strong. so HCG i dont think would really help to much here

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    hey thanks man i will do that PCT

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    by the way , i cant find aromasin around here , i can take proviron , but at what dose ? 50 mg perhaps ? or would that lower estrogen a lot?

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    .25mg ed is an adex dose. 2.5mg ed is an letro dose. 25mg ed is an aromasin dose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mx3 View Post
    .25mg ed is an adex dose. 2.5mg ed is an letro dose. 25mg ed is an aromasin dose.
    there ya go. i use it. but im just so used to using the full dropper. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverTest View Post
    by the way , i cant find aromasin around here , i can take proviron , but at what dose ? 50 mg perhaps ? or would that lower estrogen a lot?
    you can get aromasin from all kinds of internet research companies, im not positive but I think lion our board sponsor also sells it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mx3 View Post
    .25mg ed is an adex dose. 2.5mg ed is an letro dose. 25mg ed is an aromasin dose.
    is a high letro dose. i run it at .25 if i feel like runnin an AI. now if i get gyno. then ill run it at 2.5

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkitdalaw View Post
    there ya go. i use it. but im just so used to using the full dropper. lol
    understandable with all the stuff we take.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkitdalaw View Post
    is a high letro dose. i run it at .25 if i feel like runnin an AI. now if i get gyno. then ill run it at 2.5
    yeah I know its high im just saying 2.5 cause letro is about the only thing you run at 2.5mg

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    Quote Originally Posted by mx3 View Post
    understandable with all the stuff we take.
    seriously. you should see my night stand..

    letro, aromasin , clomid, adex, nolva, caber, hcg and dont forget the cialis!!!

    its a wonder i havent been taken the wrong shit at one point or the other!

    lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverTest View Post
    ok i am 5 10 , 200 lbs , 15 % bodyfat , i am 23 years old , my test level is a liiiittle bit low , its 550ng - 600 ng ,

    550-600 isn't low by any means. Depending on what the range is of the lab it actually looks more to be on the upper end of of the normal.

    I would listen to the members that currently cruise. A normal TRT dose that they recommend sounds like a good starting point. You can always try that then get your levels tested and adjust from there.

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    well , honestly , the upper range from the lab came as 800 , does that make a difference ??? i mean if the lab's upper dosage came 1000 , my levels would come out as in the 800's ?? is that what you mean binder ?

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    I cruise at 250 a week. But my test level was very low , below 100 couple years ago. Im 33 and as i can see i will stay on it for a long time

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    A bodybuilding cruise is up to 250mgs per week, if anyone is doing more than that they are simple cycling and kidding themselves, long cycles dont work IMHO to many sides to gains ratio and the tolerance build up will relate in heavier dosages when you actually go back on a bulking cycle.

    If your not competing or plans of turning Pro, its dame stupid and you need to get a grip of yourself and concentrate on recovering and maintenance of muscle tissue while off cycle...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverTest View Post
    well , honestly , the upper range from the lab came as 800 , does that make a difference ??? i mean if the lab's upper dosage came 1000 , my levels would come out as in the 800's ?? is that what you mean binder ?
    well, kind of but not really.

    if you say the lab upper range was 800 and you have a 600 then you're in the upper 25% which is actually a "high normal" but still considered just "normal" since it's within range.

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