First Time Winstrol User! Few ? 's

**Icedman12** · 10-31-2008, 11:22 AM

I have been working out for quite some time now but have never done any Juice. A lot of my friends are on different stuff and from what I have seen I like there results from Winstrol .

My goal for now is to gain a little strength but most of all I wanna CUT down. I think between a good Diet and Winstrol I can get that goal.

Here is my Profile

Age - 23
Weight- 198
Height- 6 ft

What I was going to do is 100 MG's a day VIA Pill forum and Diet good/continue training hard like I do.

My Questions are

1. Is there any way to Cycle off ?
2. What are some Side effects I can expect ?
3. Results ?

Thanks

**Dukkit** · 10-31-2008, 11:27 AM

please tell me your plannin on using a Test with the winny?

and at yoru stats. i doubt your ready to cycle. whats your diet and training like?

100mg a day of winny is a bit much for a first time user

**Icedman12** · 10-31-2008, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by dukkitdalaw

please tell me your plannin on using a Test with the winny?

and at yoru stats. i doubt your ready to cycle. whats your diet and training like?

100mg a day of winny is a bit much for a first time user

I was not planning on using Test with it. What exactly is Test ?

What MG would you suggest for a new user per day ?

**Dukkit** · 10-31-2008, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by Icedman12

I was not planning on using Test with it. What exactly is Test ?

What MG would you suggest for a new user per day ?

i will not in good conscious recommend that you do a cycle period.

you need to do research more. you dont know what Test is.

its testosterone and it should be included in everycycle

you need to research a basic test cycle. and PCT.

but first. i would go to the diet and training sections

the information from those boards will get your further then steroids

**Icedman12** · 10-31-2008, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by dukkitdalaw

i will not in good conscious recommend that you do a cycle period.

you need to do research more. you dont know what Test is.

its testosterone and it should be included in everycycle

you need to research a basic test cycle. and PCT.

but first. i would go to the diet and training sections

the information from those boards will get your further then steroids

I had a feeling test was Testosterone but I was not sure and that is why I asked.

I'm not looking to do a full cycle here. Just Winny and Test if that should be mixed in. Rather than busting my balls why not just help me ? I'm new to all of this and that's why I am asking questions before I do anything.

What kinda Test would you suggest to mix in ?

**Dukkit** · 10-31-2008, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by Icedman12

I had a feeling test was Testosterone but I was not sure and that is why I asked.

I'm not looking to do a full cycle here. Just Winny and Test if that should be mixed in. Rather than busting my balls why not just help me ? I'm new to all of this and that's why I am asking questions before I do anything.

What kinda Test would you suggest to mix in ?

bro, i am helping you. dont think about doing a cycle until you do more research.

go to the diet section and post up your diet
you will get alot of help and you can grow like a mutha fukka off of a strong diet.

**Mulciber** · 10-31-2008, 11:57 AM

busting your balls.. hes just being honest bro..
you need to know exactly what your doing before you decide to do anything..know exactly how these things work.. he/we ask these questions to see exactly how much knowledge you have on the subject.. and if sometimes the replies seem less than flattering its because a point is trying to be made and trying to keep the person from doing something stupid.. sometimes thats what it takes to get the point across

**chuckt12345** · 10-31-2008, 12:02 PM

i know this guy has some research ahead of him but why does everyone bust chops about winny only cycle,, granted its not technically a real cycle but ive done it twice for baseball and had great results.

**Icedman12** · 10-31-2008, 12:07 PM

Thanks guys. Yea I know I can gain a lot more with a better diet cause I do eat shitty now for the most part cause I am working constantly and all I can eat is Subway.

So you guys think right now I should just work on the Diet and keep training rather that get on Winny or Test ?

**Icedman12** · 10-31-2008, 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by chuckt12345

i know this guy has some research ahead of him but why does everyone bust chops about winny only cycle,, granted its not technically a real cycle but ive done it twice for baseball and had great results.

I was thinking the same thing. I had a friend that was about my weight and did a winny only Cycle and he had great results also.

**Dukkit** · 10-31-2008, 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by Icedman12

Thanks guys. Yea I know I can gain a lot more with a better diet cause I do eat shitty now for the most part cause I am working constantly and all I can eat is Subway.

So you guys think right now I should just work on the Diet and keep training rather that get on Winny or Test ?

yes. thats exactly what im saying. Diet and Training are how you get big/cut. Steroids just give you a little boost. They arent miracle drugs. If your diet sucks now, and you do steroids while your diet sucks. you wont get nearly as big/cut as you could if everything was top notch.

so first get your diet down, and make sure your training is up to par. you can gain 10 pounds of muscle off a strong bulking diet in a few months. then think about using gear. at your age... you have plenty of test in your body and the ability to recover and work out hard

**Dukkit** · 10-31-2008, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by Icedman12

I was thinking the same thing. I had a friend that was about my weight and did a winny only Cycle and he had great results also.

sure... ppl do winny cycles and d-bol cycles. but when compared to a Test/winny cycle, the gains are no where near what they could be.

plus maybe your friends diet and training are good.

you just admitted your diet sucks

so why waste money on gear that wont give you the results you want cuz your slacking in the diet part??

**chuckt12345** · 10-31-2008, 12:17 PM

well good luck with whatever decision you make, not tellin you its the best thing to do but if you decide to dont take 100 ed,, do max of 50ed for 6 weeks. Split it up and take it like every 6 hours or so. Maybe like 10mgs 4 times a day to start for the first couple weeks. Id get some stuff for your joints like glucosamine and start takin it today cause they tend to dry out on winny.
PCT is up to you but i personally wouldnt worry about it.

Originally Posted by Icedman12

I was thinking the same thing. I had a friend that was about my weight and did a winny only Cycle and he had great results also.

**Big** · 10-31-2008, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by chuckt12345

PCT is up to you but i personally wouldnt worry about it.

really? I wouldn't recommend anyone run a compound that suppresses test production without also running test, and certainly wouldn't recommend anyone use a suppressive compound without pct.

**Icedman12** · 10-31-2008, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by dukkitdalaw

sure... ppl do winny cycles and d-bol cycles. but when compared to a Test/winny cycle, the gains are no where near what they could be.

plus maybe your friends diet and training are good.

you just admitted your diet sucks

so why waste money on gear that wont give you the results you want cuz your slacking in the diet part??

Well the last few weeks I have slowly been getting the Diet up to par and if I get on Winny I will obviously make sure its top notch.

**Dukkit** · 10-31-2008, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by Big

really? I wouldn't recommend anyone run a compound that suppresses test production without also running test, and certainly wouldn't recommend anyone use a suppressive compound without pct.

beat me to it bro

**Icedman12** · 10-31-2008, 12:51 PM

So from the sounds of it you guys are saying

Good Diet+Hard Training+Winny+TEST+ Joint Stuff = Decent/Good results

Right

Start off with 40 MG a day then bump it to 50 ?

**Big** · 10-31-2008, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by Icedman12

So from the sounds of it you guys are saying

Good Diet+Hard Training+Winny+TEST+ Joint Stuff = Decent/Good results

Right

Start off with 40 MG a day then bump it to 50 ?

no, start of with good diet and proper training, then when a plateau is eventually hit, consider steroids . even then, I'd skip winny on a first cycle.

**Melonray** · 10-31-2008, 01:01 PM

Dbol ,Testo is probably the best beginner cycle or thats atleast what i did and still do when im bulking ive done some winny cycles even tried it without test just to see personally i hate winny its the weakest ass crap no resault no harder muscle crap there is or so it was in my trials

**xavier_888888** · 10-31-2008, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by Big

no, start of with good diet and proper training, then when a plateau is eventually hit, consider steroids. even then, I'd skip winny on a first cycle.

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**Icedman12** · 10-31-2008, 01:21 PM

I'm not looking to Bulk though. Just CUT up.

**Dukkit** · 10-31-2008, 01:24 PM

then do some cardio

and get a cutting diet down

subway will not get you cut. no matter what that guy jared says

**Big** · 10-31-2008, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by Icedman12

I'm not looking to Bulk though. Just CUT up.

all the more reason why you don't need steroids . I guess you will persist till someone tells you what you want to hear, eventually someone will, unfortunately they will be wrong.
good luck.

**chuckt12345** · 10-31-2008, 01:28 PM

you get more cut on test if you manage your cardio/diet right.

MY PERSONAL exp from winny only, was just a hardening of the muscles and about 20% gain in strength and i could hit the baseball about 50' further, lol.

Originally Posted by Icedman12

I'm not looking to Bulk though. Just CUT up.

**Icedman12** · 10-31-2008, 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by dukkitdalaw

then do some cardio

and get a cutting diet down

subway will not get you cut. no matter what that guy jared says

Yea Ive been doing 30 mins of Cardio a day for the last few weeks so Ill just keep going with that and lifting hard and see how it goes. I have been lifting the last 3 years but I only seem to do it in the winter.

But I wanna continue through summer this season