DECA and TEST Question

[J4LDO]

Spent last few hours searching and searching but cant find a proper answer,

We all know that deca shuts down natural test production , but if test shuts down natural test production why is it harder to recover from deca than test ?
is it because deca shuts it down insantly.

my last cycle i ran sus 500 mg per week split into EOD
got good results ran it 12 weeks, no sides pct worked a treat

this cycle is 4 weeks dbol 30 mg and 12 weeks 500 mg Test E split into 2 injections sat/wed
pct nolva / clomid also got letro on hand for any gyno sides

now was thinking of adding deca at a low dose 200mg per
would this be poiintless ?

worried about not recovering from the deca , never used it but all you hear is horror stories ?

[goose]

These 3 compounds shut you down the worst.

Deca.....drol and tren its because they are 19-nor.....No research this bro!!!!

[MuscleScience]

just run test 2 weeks past your last deca shot or at 200mg a week dont use it at all.

[goose]

just run test 2 weeks past your last deca shot or at 200mg a week dont use it at all.

may help you erections but 19-nor can fuc up your pct.

You know how long deca stays in your body? (think drug tests?)

[bbminded]

Adding the deca would help alot if you are trying to bulk! havent heard that many horror stories with deca, in fact it helps relieve join pain. I would reccomend getting some hcg for pct to get your test back to normal faster!

[Mulciber]

its decas affinity for the progesterone receptor, which gives it progestin like effects on the body. That would include a higher rate of negative feedback inhibition on test production.

[MuscleScience]

may help you erections but 19-nor can fuc up your pct.

You know how long deca stays in your body? (think drug tests?)

I know how long the metabolites stay in the body.

[goose]

I know how long the metabolites stay in the body.

well point is with 19-nor they can make recovery very hard,seen it with my own eyes but then god gave us toreimifene

thats a kick ass PCT drug.

[J4LDO]

Adding the deca would help alot if you are trying to bulk! havent heard that many horror stories with deca, in fact it helps relieve join pain. I would reccomend getting some hcg for pct to get your test back to normal faster!

its the joint pain im thinking about adding it for but at 200 mg is it better just left alone if its going to be hard to recover
im 27 if thats going to make any difference to natty test production

[MuscleScience]

well point is with 19-nor they can make recovery very hard,seen it with my own eyes but then god gave us toreimifene

thats a kick ass PCT drug.

what is it?

[goose]

what is it?

Its a pct drug (quite new) stunning the best by far.

Week 1: 120mg/day
Week 2: 90mg/day
Week 3: 60mg/day
Week 4: 30mg/day

with armosin and HCG the best PCT the game.

Great with 19-nor drugs.

run cycles under 10 weeks (high dose) and you destroy the game,shock them receptors,attack hard then defend,thats the art of the game.....

[Mulciber]

actually its toremifene.. its a serm

[Mulciber]

been around for a bit now.. does not have any negative effect on liver values (nolva has some), and helps good cholesterol levels.

[MuscleScience]

been around for a bit now.. does not have any negative effect on liver values (nolva has some), and helps good cholesterol levels.

Can you run it with a 19-nor on cycle for gyno?

[bbminded]

actually its toremifene.. its a serm

do the research chem. places carry it???

[LATS60]

Can you run it with a 19-nor on cycle for gyno?

Sure, if you think it's ok to run nolva 19nors then this would be no different and vice-versa.

[LATS60]

been around for a bit now.. does not have any negative effect on liver values (nolva has some), and helps good cholesterol levels.

Got a study on that bro, cause i got one that says no effects on LDL or HDL.

[Mulciber]

if you feel nolvadex will cause issues i suppose the same would go for toremifene.. havent seen any studys on it when used in conjunction with 19-nor's.
but i personally dont have any issues with using nolvadex when using 19-nor's if gyno symptoms pop up.

[MuscleScience]

Sure, if you think it's ok to run nolva 19nors then this would be no different and vice-versa.

I guess your statement means that just like nolva it would be bad to run it with deca as well?

[J4LDO]

so whats the diff from being test shutdown and deca shutdown
if shutdown means what it says why is 1 harder to recover than the other ?

[LATS60]

I guess your statement means that just like nolva it would be bad to run it with deca as well?

LOL, my statement means exactly what it says, thats why i put "if you think", iv'e learnt very quickly to choose my wording carefully when addressing you!!!

[Mulciber]

Got a study on that bro, cause i got one that says no effects on LDL or HDL.

on the nolvadex? i have studys going both ways actually.. like usual

[MuscleScience]

LOL, my statement means exactly what it says, thats why i put "if you think", iv'e learnt very quickly to choose my wording carefully when addressing you!!!

what do you mean by that?

[Mulciber]

and were off... lol

[LATS60]

on the nolvadex? i have studys going both ways actually.. like usual

I meant on the TOR actually bro. I know exactly what you mean about going both ways.

[LATS60]

and were off... lol

LOL, no way, i'm not playing his head games.

[MuscleScience]

LOL, no way, i'm not playing his head games.

I cant help it that I cant understand what I am asking half the time.

[LATS60]

I cant help it that I cant understand what I am asking half the time.

Well you got a sense of humour mate, thats good enough for me.

[Mulciber]

so whats the diff from being test shutdown and deca shutdown
if shutdown means what it says why is 1 harder to recover than the other ?

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[MuscleScience]

Well you got a sense of humour mate, thats good enough for me.

I have always had a sense of humor, I dont get into battle royals over the net.

[Mulciber]

Well you got a sense of humour mate, thats good enough for me.

an unexpected outcome.. the twists and turns here keep me on the edge of my seat sometimes..

[MuscleScience]

an unexpected outcome.. the twists and turns here keep me on the edge of my seat sometimes..

LOL, did you think we were fighting?

You know I have the right to ask a question too, every once and a while. Even though I am the board know it all.....LOL

[Mulciber]

lol,,nah.. just having some fun..
your alright man..

respect

[goose]

who wants to fights with me???