2 Cycles for 2009 (Critique Please)

[Iceman69]

Hey bros,

Ok well after talking with a few advanced members in PM's I've decided to do my winter Bulk cycle first and then my pre-summer Cutting cycle afterwards. (I don't honestly know why I didn't come to this conclusion by myself but whatever).

Cycle 1 -- Simple Bulker -- Goal -- 20lbs of quality mass

Weeks 1-12
Sustagen 300 run @ 600mg/week

(So far I just intend to keep this clean, I find that my body still reacts amazing to Test based cycles and stacking isn't all that necessary for me yet. But I'm always open to comments/suggestions.)

PCT will be pretty standard Nolva/Clomid ED until I start feeling normal again.

Cycle 2 -- Pre-Summer Cutting Cycle -- Goal -- 5-10lbs of lean mass and complete eradication of fat

(This cycle I'm 100% open and asking for suggestions, as I've never really run a good cutting cycle before. I'm concerned that if I don't feel good and pumped similar to my first cycle that I won't train quite as hard but I'm sure that's just me overthinking this as I love to train period.)


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I currently look pretty similar to my Avatar, about 5lbs heavier and a little bit lower bodyfat.

I'm 6'3 and 233lbs as of today.

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I intend to be using The Slingshot Theory as posted by Mr. Ronnie Rowland and since I work at home I'll have total control over my diet and training regimen. For cardio I'll be attending martial arts classes for 45 minutes, 3 times per week, and then possibly 1 treadmill session on the weekends if needed.

Thanks for all your time and attention fellas, I know I ask a lot from ya'll and I try to help out when and where I can from my own experiences.

Iceman

(The Sustagen is already on it's way for the 1st cycle so if you are critiquing that please keep it to any additions you might run. Note--I'm trying to keep the water retention down, so no Dbol or Deca for this.)

[camhutch87]

I would throw in Tren you can stack on tons of lean mass with it but keep it to 6-8 weeks max.. prolly 75-100mg ed, that would be ur best bet in bulking without water retention but u will still have some with the sust if it were me i would have went straight prop and kept the injection times the same. Prolly might wanna get some HCG .. gotta keep them nuts son!

[The Deuce]

Cycle 2 -- Pre-Summer Cutting Cycle -- Goal -- 5-10lbs of lean mass and complete eradication of fat

(This cycle I'm 100% open and asking for suggestions, as I've never really run a good cutting cycle before. I'm concerned that if I don't feel good and pumped similar to my first cycle that I won't train quite as hard but I'm sure that's just me overthinking this as I love to train period.)

Alright... Your first cycle seems pretty much on track. I for one DO NOT like Sust but to each their own... so you are solid there. That Pct could use some Aromasin but personally i think you will be fine without it or Hcg .

Now for the second cycle here is an option

1-10 Test Prop 75mg ED
1-8 Tren Ace 50-75 mg ED
1-10 Mast 50 mg ED (if your BF is at like 11-9 %)
Caber .25 mg Twice per week 1-10

PCT:
Clen 1-6 (2 on 2 off) dosage varies but i would go with 120 mcg. I wouldnt use this during your cycle... when I did clen I used it during PCT and got amazing results.. but like i said... this is an idea of what to do. You will tweak it to meet your needs but IMO I would do this.


Nolva 1-6 20mg ed
Clomid 1-4 50 mg ed (might not need this)
Aromasin 25 1-4 ED
Hcg 500 iu's 1-3 twice per week (there is that better war??)


Yah that looks about right. Anyone else see a problem with this?? Cuz I don't

[WARMachine]

I would use the hCG at 500IU's 2xW.

I would also run Adex during the cycle along with Caber.

The Clen is a nice addition to PCT.

Expect a lot more than 10lbs with that cycle.

Ive seen gains of 20+lbs off that EXACT same cycle.

Other than that, it looks good!

[T_Own]

and when he says 20+ its all very very lean gains

[The Deuce]

WOOHOO !!!! I did good then huh?? I just wung it... hahaha

I love that cycle... Definitely my fave that I have in my arsenal !!!


Now that I think about it... it might become my summer cutter .. hahaha

[Iceman69]

Thanks for the tremendous feedback fellas. I think my 2nd cycle might be more fun than my first!

[Iceman69]

Thanks fellas:

For my 2nd cycle I'm going to run:

1-10 Test Prop 75mg ED
1-8 Tren Ace 50-75 mg ED

I'll skip the Mast only because I don't have a lot of experience running more than 1 compound at a time and I want to see how my body handles it.

With just running these two compounds what kind of ancilliaries do I need?

Do I still need the HCG , Arimidex and Caber? (What is Caber btw?)

[The Deuce]

Caber attacks the prolactin increase from a 19-nor.


yah its always good to have everyone of them bro.... Just in case... ya never ever know....

Not to mention your PCT bro which I know you already know.... so yah... you should be good to go... Thats pretty much the greatest cycle.. TEST/TREN ... MMMMM :7UP:

[Iceman69]

Caber upon a little research sounds like it might be fun....haha can my wife take it too? =)

Arimidex are pills and sound easy.

HCG ...mixing the powder and liquid......anything tricky to that?

[legobricks]

Caber is a dopamine agonist as dopamine is responsible for supressing prolactin levels in the Pituitory gland.

[transformer]

The mixing is the hcg is no big deal. When you need to do it there is a thread in here to refer to. Good luck.

[WARMachine]

Thanks fellas:

For my 2nd cycle I'm going to run:

1-10 Test Prop 75mg ED
1-8 Tren Ace 50-75 mg ED

I'll skip the Mast only because I don't have a lot of experience running more than 1 compound at a time and I want to see how my body handles it.

With just running these two compounds what kind of ancilliaries do I need?

Do I still need the HCG, Arimidex and Caber? (What is Caber btw?)

Id use hCG anytime you have a 19-nor in your cycle.

Get an AI in your PCT as well...