First Cycle to kick start growth????

[Rugbyboy8]

Hey guys, new to the site and am looking at doing my first cycle…

My stats are 6ft 4in, 240lbs, bf 19%, 26 years old.. I play rugby on Saturdays and lift during the week – have been an on and off lifter for a few years.

Current diet is

Meal 1 – special K and protein shake
Meal 2 – protein shake
Meal 3 – chicken with potatoe and veggies or salmon and cray fish salad
Meal 4 – 2 brown pitta breads, 2 tins of tuna and lettuce
Meal 5 – meat, veggies and potato or chicken stir fry or large grilled chicken kebabs and salad.

Current Workout is

Tuesday

Squatts
Deadlifts
Seated Row

Thursday

Flat Bench
Incline Bench
Military Press
Dips
Wide Chins
Close Chins

But I am going to change this to

Mon – Shoulders
Tues – Squatts & Deads
Thurs – Chest and Tris
Fri – Back and Biceps

I have a few mates doing cycles and they have recommended for the first one to do Suss and Deca which I am researching at the moment and will post in a week or so when I have gained enough knowledge on the cycles etc…. same with PCT..

The questions I have are that I do not believe that I am at my natural peak yet at all and if I do an 8 – 10 week cycle and go balls to the wall with everything such as diet, training, knocking weekend drinking on the head etc…. will I be able to keep the gains seeing as I am not going above my bodies peak but am just getting there quicker with the juice – my friends reckoned If for example I put on 20kg’s on the cycle I would be able to keep 10 – 12kg’s of it?

Now then I have been reading through the forum and understand that everyone on here is very knowledgeable and for most of you guys the cycling etc… is a lifestyle choice etc.. and it is something you are very dedicated to – I however am not as dedicated as a lot of you guys and to be honest am looking at doing one cycle to kickstart my progress and rather than just take my mates advice and just start injecting I wanted to find out a lot more about it and see if in the opinion of people who are obviously very knowledgeable on the subject am I correct in mine and my friends assumptions????

So basically now I have the waffle out of the way and you know where I am coming from my main questions are:

- Am I realistically going to see noticeable gains on my first cycle
- Am I going to be able to keep a decent amount of these gains seeing as I am not at my natural peak yet?
- Thirdly and this questions is really here nor there it is just something a few of the boys said – on their cycles they stripped some body fat as well as packing on the muscle and eating a clean but calorie surplus diet (this isn’t really something that bothers ne as I’m fine doing a cut after just wondered what peoples opinions were!?

Thanks for any help/advice – and once again I will apologise if it seems like I am cheapening something that it seems a lot of you are dedicating a lot of time to in the search of some quick gains – and in a way I am but rather than go into this blind just because my mates have I wanted to at least gain some knowledge and see if what I was looking to achieve is actually anywhere near the mark???

Thanks a lot for reading through my huge waffle!!!!! J

[PT]

[quote=Rugbyboy8;4291488]Hey guys, new to the site and am looking at doing my first cycle…

My stats are 6ft 4in, 240lbs, bf 19%, 26 years old.. I play rugby on Saturdays and lift during the week – have been an on and off lifter for a few years.

Current diet is

Meal 1 – special K and protein shake
Meal 2 – protein shake
Meal 3 – chicken with potatoe and veggies or salmon and cray fish salad
Meal 4 – 2 brown pitta breads, 2 tins of tuna and lettuce
Meal 5 – meat, veggies and potato or chicken stir fry or large grilled chicken kebabs and salad.

Current Workout is

Tuesday

Squatts
Deadlifts
Seated Row

Thursday

Flat Bench
Incline Bench
Military Press
Dips
Wide Chins
Close Chins

But I am going to change this to

Mon – Shoulders
Tues – Squatts & Deads
Thurs – Chest and Tris
Fri – Back and Biceps

I have a few mates doing cycles and they have recommended for the first one to do Suss and Deca which I am researching at the moment and will post in a week or so when I have gained enough knowledge on the cycles etc…. same with PCT..

The questions I have are that I do not believe that I am at my natural peak yet at all and if I do an 8 – 10 week cycle and go balls to the wall with everything such as diet, training, knocking weekend drinking on the head etc…. will I be able to keep the gains seeing as I am not going above my bodies peak but am just getting there quicker with the juice – my friends reckoned If for example I put on 20kg’s on the cycle I would be able to keep 10 – 12kg’s of it?the answer is yes. well most anyway. you will lose a little water but if done properly and followed with a good pct you should keep most gains made. if you run a test/deca cycle like you ststed above run some armidex with it to leep the water down.

Now then I have been reading through the forum and understand that everyone on here is very knowledgeable and for most of you guys the cycling etc… is a lifestyle choice etc.. and it is something you are very dedicated to – I however am not as dedicated as a lot of you guys and to be honest am looking at doing one cycle to kickstart my progress and rather than just take my mates advice and just start injecting I wanted to find out a lot more about it and see if in the opinion of people who are obviously very knowledgeable on the subject am I correct in mine and my friends assumptions????

So basically now I have the waffle out of the way and you know where I am coming from my main questions are:

- Am I realistically going to see noticeable gains on my first cycle
if your diet and training are up to par then hell yea you will
- Am I going to be able to keep a decent amount of these gains seeing as I am not at my natural peak yet?
if done right yes. you should loose a few lbs of water and soe strength but the muscle mass should be kept
- Thirdly and this questions is really here nor there it is just something a few of the boys said – on their cycles they stripped some body fat as well as packing on the muscle and eating a clean but calorie surplus diet (this isn’t really something that bothers ne as I’m fine doing a cut after just wondered what peoples opinions were!?
its your choice but you have to choose, bulk or cut! if you bulk then you obviously eat alot more and lift heavier
Thanks for any help/advice – and once again I will apologise if it seems like I am cheapening something that it seems a lot of you are dedicating a lot of time to in the search of some quick gains – and in a way I am but rather than go into this blind just because my mates have I wanted to at least gain some knowledge and see if what I was looking to achieve is actually anywhere near the mark???
READ THE EDUCATIONAL FORUMS AND STICKIES AND THEY WILL GIVE YOU A BETTER INSIGHT OF WHAT YOUR GETTING INTO AND HOW TO DO IT
Thanks a lot for reading through my huge waffle!!!!! J

[Kale]

Mate your diet is fvcked. I would try the diet below for about 8 weeks and see how you go. I guarantee you you will bulk up. I dont think you are ready to juice just yet.

Meal 1: Pro/Carb

8 Egg Whites, 1 Scoop Of Whey Protein, 1 cup oatmeal

50g protein / 54g carbs / 5g fat



Meal 2: Pro/Fat

Lean Ground Beef, ¼ cup swiss cheese, green veggies

55g protein / 2g carbs / 20g fat



Meal 3: Pro/Carb

Chicken Breast, 1 and a half cup Brown Rice

55g protein / 64g carbs / 3g Fat
**Disclaimer: Meal 3 can be a pro/fat meal if you are ultra sensitive to carb intake.


Meal 4: Pro/Fat

2 Cans of Tuna, 1 Tbsp Full Fat Mayonnaise, Veggies

60g protein / 2g carbs / 13g Fat



Workout


Meal 5: PWO Nutrition

2 Scoops Whey Protein / 80g of Dextrose

40g protein / 80g carbs / 0g fat



Meal 6: PPWO

Boneless Skinless Chicken Breast, ½ cup Brown Rice (Measured Uncooked)

50g protein / 70g carbs / 3g fat



Meal 7: Pro/Fat

Lean Protein of your choice, 2 Tbsp Natural Peanut Butter
50g protein / 5g carbs / 18g fat



Meal 8: Before Bed

3 Scoops of Whey Protein, 1.5 Tbsp. Flax Seed Oil

60g protein / 3g carbs / 21g Fat


That turns into approximately 420 grams protein, 250 grams Carbs, and 83 grams of fat. This is roughly 3500 calories

[anabolictonic]

I understand where your comin from bro .. saying you know you are using it as a shortcut... people here think its cheating cause they have worked hard for their bodies which is fair enough.. but know its not gonna do you any harm if done properly and its ur life so go for it.. I could be run of the mill and say.. no wait till your reach ur genetic max you dont need roids etc.. but i see where your coming from so i wont go there... However your diet could use alot of work tho... if u go to the diet section youl find alot of very useful info to improve your diet! other than that just make sure you read up everything you can about gear and pct ancilliries etc... the more knowledge you have the less likely you are to do damage to yaself

[Rugbyboy8]

Thanks for understanding where I am coming from and what i am trying to achieve guys.

So far from the searching and research i've done am i right in coming to the following conclusions????

- i need to keep the first cycle simple and not add lots of different compounds in?
- Due to my bf being 19% i am thinking of running a test and tren cycle as i that is more geared towards leaner gains??? (when it is advised to keep it simple does that mean just a test cycle or does it mean don't add things like deca and d-bol etc... but tren is ok??)
- Still need more research on PCT but i'm supposed to keep Nolva on standby in case of gyno correct?
Obviously my diet is whack and I am currently looking into revamping it completely but need to get a balance between getting a spot on diet and having something that i can stick to as i sit next to my boss at work who pretty much frowns if you get up to get a glass of water - let alone bust out a meal every couple of hours so might need to crack on with the shakes!!!! (thanks for the sample diet Kale - i am going to tweak that to fit into my sitaution in the office and then i will post up what i think will work for me and what hopefully is more sound than my current one.

As you can you see i'm still quite a way from being satisfied within myself that i have enough knowledge to start a cycle so will carry on scouring the boards but are my initial conclusions correct???

Aftering admitting i am initailly looking at the cycle as a short cut and the next couple of questions i am going to ask it really looks like i'm desprate to get flamed which i'm not - I just want to be completely honest with what i want and what my life style is.

- For the first cycle i've seen alot of 12 week cycles - is this a cast iron timeframe or can i do 6 or 8 weeks or does this not give my body enough time to get results from them?

i'm not going to start a cycle until Mid Jan for the following reasons:

- i want way more knowledge before i dive into juicing
- I need to get a diet that is sh1t hot
- i have alot of client entertaining to do in Dec which leads to drinking and meals out 3 or 4 times a week so i don't think that would be condusive to a good cycle.

When i do start in January however i will be playing rugby on saturday and most likely be socialising (getting drunk) on a sat night - which will be the only "bad stuff" i allow myself during the cycle.

What i would like to know is if i do drink on the sat and if i also slip off of the diet which will most likely be stuck to rigidly Mon - Fri but Fri evenings might be a meal with the missus (i.e. Italian, Chinese etc..) and Sundays won't be as strict as the weekday diet - is it going to be a waste of time on the cycle as the more i read through the forum I am seeing alot of people saying that everything needs to be spot on to get the most out of it??? Now is this mainly aimed at the competitive bodybuilder or the guys way more focused and disciplined than me????? For your run of the mill joe average where the juice isn't a lifestyle choice it and who is not looking to squeeze every bit of potential out of his cycle or his body but is going to be happy with putting on a noticable amount a muscle (7 - 10lbs that can be kept on realistic???) on his first cycle to kick start him and then carry on building up naturally??

[transformer]

Hey mate. When I drink I eat like crap my buddy just started a cycle with me and he decided to put the alcohol away. You probably need to do the same. You can definately make the 10-15 lbs gains you want to. The empty calories aren't the only bad thing about the alcohol. Alcohol turns to sugar in your body so stay away for 3 months and you will be happier with your progress.

[chuckt12345]

no biggie drinkn once in awhile, you dont have to follow everything to the T to get good results.

[Rugbyboy8]

Thanks guys - to be honest i'm putting everything down as a worse case scenario as i am unlikely to drink every weekend - especially over Jan and Feb as i usually detox after getting too excited over xmas

One thing i'm trying to work out is how long to run the first cycle for?? seen people doing between 10 and 12 weeks - are these the only ones you can do or can i do 6 or 8 weeks or is that not enough time to get any gains?

Also think i am going to run just test (maybe tren but want to do more research on it as i have been known to have a bad temper when i was younger and wouldn;t want to go back to that after all the hard work i've done to get it under control)

After reading the side effects am i likely to get the least i would by only doing the test )know you can't say what i will get or how it will affect me, just meant if i'm going to get sides then they will be less on test than if i do 3 compounds etc..) does that also go along with the shutting down of sex drive once i finish and start pct?

the side effects i've identified at the moment are:

Shrinking nuts - but i can get something to combat this?? hcg??? (not sure)
Increased sweating - i sweat like a mofo anyway so this will prob be the side that is really noticable
depression - not something that's ever hit before
Temper - (putting me off tren)
Gyno - woried about this but will get nolva before i even order my juice
lack of sex drive after - (who has had this? basically my missus hates drugs of any sort so i'm not telling her about this and i don;t live with her so shouldn't be too hard to hide but i am usually like a dog on heat so if i go tonot wanting it she won;t assume i'm of gear but will prob think i'm cheating and it don't matter how big i get i'm still scared of the from her haha)