2 options NEED Help on which

TWO Options PLEASE Help me DECIDE ...i am looking to put on some quality muscle and retain.
Stats
5'9 185
diet is consistent and measured 320 protein, 150 carbs, 60 g fat.
5 days per week in gym
2 cycles prior of Test E (500mg) and Winnie which were moderate

OPTION 1

Sust, deca, d-bol
week 1- 12
500mg Sust
400mg Deca
weeks 1-5
D-Bol ( 25mg per day )

Arimidex ( .5g everyday )

PCT
PCT for cycles 12-16wks:
Day 1-30- .25mg L-dex + 100mg Clomid + 20mg Nolva

OPTION 2
1-14 Test E 600
1-12 Tren E 400

Pct
1-3 Hcg 500iu's Ed
1-6 Nolva 20 mgs ed
1-4 Aromasin 25 ed

i think before you think about those cycles you should rethink your diet, not very good for clean bulking

Phate hope this adds so validity to my diet,
This is my current diet as of now when off...I would up carbs by 100 when bulking...
my calories exceed 3100...
Phate -I read your posts quite a bit trust your opinion so plese comment on cycle.

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Originally Posted by Ryan121

TWO Options PLEASE Help me DECIDE ...i am looking to put on some quality muscle and retain.
Stats
5'9 185
diet is consistent and measured 320 protein, 150 carbs, 60 g fat.
5 days per week in gym
2 cycles prior of Test E (500mg) and Winnie which were moderate

OPTION 1

Sust, deca, d-bol
week 1- 12
500mg Sust
400mg Deca
weeks 1-5
D-Bol ( 25mg per day )
this cycle is great for puttin on mass, but you will have some water retention when on it, i would drop the sust and use test e or c so you're injections and pct start time line up better
Arimidex ( .5g everyday )

PCT
PCT for cycles 12-16wks:
Day 1-30- .25mg L-dex + 100mg Clomid + 20mg Nolva

OPTION 2
1-14 Test E 600
1-12 Tren E 400
this cycle would do better for lean gains and a reduction in bf if done right, but i would use test prop and tren ace if you want less water retention on cycle
Pct
1-3 Hcg 500iu's Ed
1-6 Nolva 20 mgs ed
1-4 Aromasin 25 ed

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sorry, time for me to do to bed but i'll try to comment tomorrow

basically, test/deca/dbol is the standby for mass gains and tren/test is great for lean solid gains, the choice is yours on which you would rather go for

hcg should be used last of 2 weeks of injections and for 2 weeks after last injection (28 days total)... At this point clomid and nolva should be started (14 days after last injection)...

In either option, you may want to run hcg throughout the cycle as tren or deca may shut you down harder than your previous cycles...

Also, I believe 500 iu/ed is excessive... I think most will agree 500iu/2x wk is adequate...

This is totally based on research I've been doing on this and other sites... I've just barely started using hcg, so i'm still ill-informed on personal experience... If I am incorrect on this advice, will those with more expercience please provide constructive critism...

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Originally Posted by fit4ever180

hcg should be used last of 2 weeks of injections and for 2 weeks after last injection (28 days total)... At this point clomid and nolva should be started (14 days after last injection)...

In either option, you may want to run hcg throughout the cycle as tren or deca may shut you down harder than your previous cycles...

Also, I believe 500 iu/ed is excessive... I think most will agree 500iu/2x wk is adequate...

This is totally based on research I've been doing on this and other sites... I've just barely started using hcg, so i'm still ill-informed on personal experience... If I am incorrect on this advice, will those with more expercience please provide constructive critism...

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I go 250iu's last two weeks "ON" 2x a week.....then 250 iu's EOD in pct...although I've done 500 iu's 2x a week...I found that at that higher dose ..upon erections I would have some sour tasting fluid discharge from my penis...at lower dose its avoidable..for you little wiseguys...NO I did not taste my own semen....lol

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