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    Ryan121 is offline Associate Member
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    2 options NEED Help on which

    TWO Options PLEASE Help me DECIDE ...i am looking to put on some quality muscle and retain.
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    5'9 185
    diet is consistent and measured 320 protein, 150 carbs, 60 g fat.
    5 days per week in gym
    2 cycles prior of Test E (500mg) and Winnie which were moderate

    OPTION 1

    Sust, deca , d-bol
    week 1- 12
    500mg Sust
    400mg Deca
    weeks 1-5
    D-Bol ( 25mg per day )

    Arimidex ( .5g everyday )

    PCT
    PCT for cycles 12-16wks:
    Day 1-30- .25mg L-dex + 100mg Clomid + 20mg Nolva

    OPTION 2
    1-14 Test E 600
    1-12 Tren E 400

    Pct
    1-3 Hcg 500iu's Ed
    1-6 Nolva 20 mgs ed
    1-4 Aromasin 25 ed

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    i think before you think about those cycles you should rethink your diet, not very good for clean bulking

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    Phate hope this adds so validity to my diet,
    This is my current diet as of now when off...I would up carbs by 100 when bulking...
    my calories exceed 3100...
    Phate -I read your posts quite a bit trust your opinion so plese comment on cycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan121 View Post
    TWO Options PLEASE Help me DECIDE ...i am looking to put on some quality muscle and retain.
    Stats
    5'9 185
    diet is consistent and measured 320 protein, 150 carbs, 60 g fat.
    5 days per week in gym
    2 cycles prior of Test E (500mg) and Winnie which were moderate

    OPTION 1

    Sust, deca , d-bol
    week 1- 12
    500mg Sust
    400mg Deca
    weeks 1-5
    D-Bol ( 25mg per day )
    this cycle is great for puttin on mass, but you will have some water retention when on it, i would drop the sust and use test e or c so you're injections and pct start time line up better
    Arimidex ( .5g everyday )

    PCT
    PCT for cycles 12-16wks:
    Day 1-30- .25mg L-dex + 100mg Clomid + 20mg Nolva

    OPTION 2
    1-14 Test E 600
    1-12 Tren E 400
    this cycle would do better for lean gains and a reduction in bf if done right, but i would use test prop and tren ace if you want less water retention on cycle
    Pct
    1-3 Hcg 500iu's Ed
    1-6 Nolva 20 mgs ed
    1-4 Aromasin 25 ed
    sorry, time for me to do to bed but i'll try to comment tomorrow

    basically, test/deca/dbol is the standby for mass gains and tren/test is great for lean solid gains, the choice is yours on which you would rather go for

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    hcg should be used last of 2 weeks of injections and for 2 weeks after last injection (28 days total)... At this point clomid and nolva should be started (14 days after last injection)...

    In either option, you may want to run hcg throughout the cycle as tren or deca may shut you down harder than your previous cycles...

    Also, I believe 500 iu/ed is excessive... I think most will agree 500iu/2x wk is adequate...

    This is totally based on research I've been doing on this and other sites... I've just barely started using hcg, so i'm still ill-informed on personal experience... If I am incorrect on this advice, will those with more expercience please provide constructive critism...
    Last edited by fit4ever180; 11-11-2008 at 01:42 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fit4ever180 View Post
    hcg should be used last of 2 weeks of injections and for 2 weeks after last injection (28 days total)... At this point clomid and nolva should be started (14 days after last injection)...

    In either option, you may want to run hcg throughout the cycle as tren or deca may shut you down harder than your previous cycles...

    Also, I believe 500 iu/ed is excessive... I think most will agree 500iu/2x wk is adequate...

    This is totally based on research I've been doing on this and other sites... I've just barely started using hcg, so i'm still ill-informed on personal experience... If I am incorrect on this advice, will those with more expercience please provide constructive critism...
    I go 250iu's last two weeks "ON" 2x a week.....then 250 iu's EOD in pct...although I've done 500 iu's 2x a week...I found that at that higher dose ..upon erections I would have some sour tasting fluid discharge from my penis...at lower dose its avoidable..for you little wiseguys...NO I did not taste my own semen....lol

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