I took clen and eca stack together( xenadrene and firedrene(most potent out there) for 6 weeks during my winny/deca/test cycle man I am getting shredded. I lost about 4% fat. I went from 12.5 to 8.5 and my goal is 6%. abs and side abs are out just my lower stomach needs to be more shredded and hopefully by the end of the cycle It will. I am also thinking about taking cytomel to really boost the burning but I am not sure yet about cytomel.