should I start??

[anthony88]

should i start a dbol , test cycle with 19% body fat or shouldI wait till i get it down some more.

[Phate]

should i start a dbol, test cycle with 19% body fat or shouldI wait till i get it down some more.

stats?
age
weight
height
training exp
cycle exp

and no, you shouldn't cycle at that bf%

[Doc.Sust]

depends on your goals , experience and age

[AcePowerZ]

I was over 20% BF and I started and got Great results but I have been lifting since I was 15yo minus a few years off from injuries. I new my body was ready for it.

What are your stats?
^^^^

[anthony88]

27
158lb
65in
training on and off for four years
never cycled before

[AcePowerZ]

How is your diet?

[Doc.Sust]

i would personally wait until i though i gained all the muscle that i could naturally. four years of training really inst that much time. especially since you havent been consistently training for the 4 year time span. weather your goal is size or strength it doenst matter in this case.

[anthony88]

my diet is okay it can better. Im deployed in Iraq right now, so sometimes its hard to eat good. when im not on missions and get to eat at the chow hall these are my meals


7 am Breakfast
4 eggs, 3 turkey sausage links

900 am snack
protien shake 24g

1130 lunch
turkey sandwich on wheat no cheese, with mustard. 5 slices

2pm workout
24g protien shake

330 after workout
48g protien shake

6pm dinner
usaully chicken or turkey with vegtables

before bed 20g of casien

[jimmyinkedup]

^^^ Def needs modifications IMO bro ...phate this is right up your alley....

[Phate]

my diet is okay it can better. Im deployed in Iraq right now, so sometimes its hard to eat good. when im not on missions and get to eat at the chow hall these are my meals


7 am Breakfast
4 eggs, 3 turkey sausage links
try 8 egg whites and 1/2cup(measured uncooked) oatmeal
900 am snack
protien shake 24g
real food here, how bout some chicken(50g protein worth low fat) and potatos(red or sweet preferably)
1130 lunch
turkey sandwich on wheat no cheese, with mustard. 5 slices
50g of protein worth, so probably double the slices or more
2pm workout
24g protien shake
is this during workout?
330 after workout
48g protien shake
needs carbs here, sweet potatos, oatmeal, potatos, whatever, 70-80g worth minimum
6pm dinner
usaully chicken or turkey with vegtables
not bad, make sure the amount of protein is there
before bed 20g of casien

50g casein before bed

give me a list of the foods you can get and i'll redo the diet to suit it

[anthony88]

Cool I appreciate it.
Well for starters the chow hall is only open during certain hours 4 times a day. For breakfast I can usaully get anything from good old outmeal to greasy ass hash browns. The menu for breakfast never changes.
Lunch and dinner is a different story. I can only get chicken like 3 times a week if im lucky. They really dont serve any good carbs its all white rice and potatoes. Theres always a salad bar and a sandwich bar. I usually hit the sandwich bar during lunch if theres chicken being served. Dinner is the same. They have a pasta bar 2 times a week, stir fry 2 times a week. thats really about it we are very limited on good clean food.
Hope this helps, again I appreciate your help.

[Phate]

Cool I appreciate it.
Well for starters the chow hall is only open during certain hours 4 times a day. For breakfast I can usaully get anything from good old outmeal to greasy ass hash browns. The menu for breakfast never changes.
Lunch and dinner is a different story. I can only get chicken like 3 times a week if im lucky. They really dont serve any good carbs its all white rice and potatoes. Theres always a salad bar and a sandwich bar. I usually hit the sandwich bar during lunch if theres chicken being served. Dinner is the same. They have a pasta bar 2 times a week, stir fry 2 times a week. thats really about it we are very limited on good clean food.
Hope this helps, again I appreciate your help.

definitely get the chicken when you can, potatos are good as well, i bet they are russet, which isn't the best, but will do in a pinch

if the pasta is whole wheat, which i doubt, it's fine, if not the stir fry will work, but it's going to be sodium laden and probably use really low grade meat, so i would add some protein into it if possible or use it to top a salad

[anthony88]

so is there anything besides egg white i can eat for protien in the morning. I cant stand egg whites. If not ill man up and eat it. also if i cant get real food for snacks, what about a meal replacment shake? If protien is used for snacks how much should i use?
thanks again

[Phate]

so is there anything besides egg white i can eat for protien in the morning. I cant stand egg whites. If not ill man up and eat it. also if i cant get real food for snacks, what about a meal replacment shake? If protien is used for snacks how much should i use?
thanks again

yeah, eat whatever, this morning i had sweet potatos and canned chicken for breakfast, you can make an omelet with the egg whites and a couple yolks if you want or make pancakes

8 egg whites
1/2 cup cottage cheese (or non-fat yogurt)
1 cup dry measured oatmeal
Cinnamon (optional)
Splenda (optional)
Pam

Mix it all in the blender for 20-30 seconds and pour into a pan.


if you can't get real food then yeah, shoot for the same macros as a meal 50-60g of protein and 60-70g of carbs or so, if you have to choose between having a shake or not eating, take the shake

[anthony88]

man that sounds pretty good, but i dont have the luxury of making my own food and have no way of measuring anything. Im stuck with what ever they serve untill Feb when i come home.
You seem like you know what your talking about and im a newbie. Do you know your supplement as well as diets? If so i can use you help on this to.

[Phate]

man that sounds pretty good, but i dont have the luxury of making my own food and have no way of measuring anything. Im stuck with what ever they serve untill Feb when i come home.
You seem like you know what your talking about and im a newbie. Do you know your supplement as well as diets? If so i can use you help on this to.

what kind of supplements?

[anthony88]

well right now im taking protien, bcaas, multi vitamins no explode and creatine. do i need to be taking all this or should i add something oh and a fat burner

[Phate]

well right now im taking protien, bcaas, multi vitamins no explode and creatine. do i need to be taking all this or should i add something oh and a fat burner

read what i posted in your thread in the supplement forum, then tell me what you think you should be taking