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    Feedback on second cycle

    Hello guys, Im a LONG time reader and finally decided to join (last week, just now got my account activated)

    I did a Sustanon 375 cycle (3 shots a week) for my first cycle.. ouch.

    Anywho, Im looking to start a second cycle in 5 months, some feedback would be greatly appreciated!!

    Test E
    Deca 200
    Nolvadex

    Week 1-12:
    250mg test e - twice a week (Monday & Thursday to) to equal 500mg a week.
    200mg Deca - once a week

    PCT:
    40/40/20/20 Nolvadex but it will be at hand if needed during the cycle.

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    206 lbs
    15%BF
    5'8"

    THANK YOU!! If anything else you guys need (info) let me know

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    good, basic cycle bro. my only opinion would be to up the deca to 400mg instead of 200mg...you'll get way better results and more mass. also make sure to stop taking the deca at week 10. ALSO put CLOMID in your PCT along with the nolva: 100/50/50/50....besides that good luck

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    Quote Originally Posted by O2020 View Post
    Hello guys, Im a LONG time reader and finally decided to join (last week, just now got my account activated)

    I did a Sustanon 375 cycle (3 shots a week) for my first cycle.. ouch.
    i'll just leave this one alone since you already have the tear emoticon up
    Anywho, Im looking to start a second cycle in 5 months, some feedback would be greatly appreciated!!

    Test E
    Deca 200
    Nolvadex

    Week 1-12:
    250mg test e - twice a week (Monday & Thursday to) to equal 500mg a week.monday morning and thursday night would be best
    200mg Deca - once a weeki would shoot 400mg with your test(same injection)

    PCT:
    40/40/20/20 Nolvadex but it will be at hand if needed during the cycle.
    Testosterone gets converted to estrogen via the aromatase enzyme, but deca doesn't aromatize to estrogen at all, instead it stimulates progestrone, which can cause the same sides as estrogen, but here's the kicker
    Since test stimulates sides via estrogen and deca stimulates sides via progestrone if you get sides which do you treat the gyno, acne, whatever... things like nolva actually can make sides caused by deca worse by making the progesterone receptors more sensitive

    so no nolva during cycle

    pct is weak and needs revising

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    24 years old
    206 lbs
    15%BF
    5'8"

    THANK YOU!! If anything else you guys need (info) let me know
    post diet for critique

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    you need a better pct
    some thing more like


    2wks 100mg clomid 20mg nolvadex everyday for
    4wks 50clomid 20mg nolvadex

    LiquiDex should run the whole cycle to cut down on bloating

    and it would be good to get hcg to run the last 2 weeks of your cycle and first 2weeks of your pct

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    ^^^ agreed (phate)- if estrogen related sides on cycle id use armidex .25-.5 ed ...with first use of deca to be honest you may have a hard time differentiating estro vs prog sides ...i never use nolva on cycle w/ 19 nor (deca , tren )
    id up deca to 400mgs/week
    id extend test to 14 weeks
    stop deca at 12 weeks
    pct should at least include clomid+ nolva or nolva + aromisin or nolva+ proviron + clomid

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    Quote Originally Posted by vishus View Post
    good, basic cycle bro. my only opinion would be to up the deca to 400mg instead of 200mg...you'll get way better results and more mass. also make sure to stop taking the deca at week 10. ALSO put CLOMID in your PCT along with the nolva: 100/50/50/50....besides that good luck
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phate View Post
    post diet for critique
    thanks as well bro!!

    Diet is in check:

    On cycle diet:

    #1
    6 whole eggs
    16oz orange juice
    2 bananas
    4 slices WW toast
    1 Scoop whey


    #2
    2 Scoops whey

    #3
    6-8oz chicken
    greens
    4oz(dry) WW pasta or LARGE sweet potato

    #4 (Pre-WO)
    Same as #3 (but 5oz pasta)

    #5(PWO)
    2 scoops whey
    16oz orange juice

    #6
    2 cans of tuna
    small sweet potato

    #7 (BED)
    2 scoops syntha-6 w/2 cups skim milk


    I also snack on nuts (no pun intended) and take 1g BCAA between every meal

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    yip with theese changes it will b a gd cycle

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    Quote Originally Posted by O2020 View Post
    thankyou!


    thanks as well bro!!

    Diet is in check:

    On cycle diet:

    #1
    6 whole eggswhy 2-3 whole eggs and 8total egg whites?
    16oz orange juicewhy do you want to create an insulin spike in the morning by taking in liquid sugar? jw?
    2 bananas
    4 slices WW toast
    1 Scoop whey

    #2
    2 Scoops whey
    why just protein here, it'll be digested in 30-45 minutes and then your stomach will be empty
    #3
    6-8oz chicken
    greens
    4oz(dry) WW pasta or LARGE sweet potato

    #4 (Pre-WO)
    Same as #3 (but 5oz pasta)

    #5(PWO)
    2 scoops whey
    16oz orange juice
    need more carbs here, i do 2.5 scoops and whey and 70-80g of carbs at least
    #6
    2 cans of tuna
    small sweet potato

    #7 (BED)
    2 scoops syntha-6 w/2 cups skim milk
    is this a slow digesting protein? i hope so, and you should have some good fats in your last meal

    I also snack on nuts (no pun intended) and take 1g BCAA between every meal
    1g of bcaa will do nothing, BCAAs are protein, so it's like saying you are taking 1g of protein in between meals, though 10-15 would be good, just got post workout as they will fight with the precursors in the whey protein

    how many calories is this diet, it seems more like a cutter than a bulker

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    test 500mg 12 weeks
    deca 400mg 10 weeks

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    ^^^ phate insulin spike in am not necessarily a bad thing takes body kickstarts into an anabolic state - making sure with carb/pro/ no fat. When taking exogenous insulin for bb purposes most will use in am and pwo. This mimics that but using food to create insulin spike. I shouldnt prob have answered for him but i like the rest of your diet suggestions ..just not opposed to this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phate View Post
    1g of bcaa will do nothing, BCAAs are protein, so it's like saying you are taking 1g of protein in between meals, though 10-15 would be good, just got post workout as they will fight with the precursors in the whey protein

    how many calories is this diet, it seems more like a cutter than a bulker
    yes, slow digesting protein
    also, ive known to have to spike my insulin in the morning and PWO?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hankdiesel View Post
    test 500mg 12 weeks
    deca 400mg 10 weeks
    i would say test 14weeks deca 12weeks, you have to account for the time it takes to peak in your system

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmyinkedup View Post
    ^^^ phate insulin spike in am not necessarily a bad thing takes body kickstarts into an anabolic state - making sure with carb/pro/ no fat. When taking exogenous insulin for bb purposes most will use in am and pwo. This mimics that but using food to create insulin spike. I shouldnt prob have answered for him but i like the rest of your diet suggestions ..just not opposed to this.
    i agree but he had 6 whole eggs with it which equal 20-30g of fat depending on the size which wouldn't be good with the insulin spike

    Quote Originally Posted by O2020 View Post
    yes, slow digesting protein
    also, ive known to have to spike my insulin in the morning and PWO?
    insulin spikes are fine, but not in the presence of fat

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    OK IMO unless you are running NPP or are on a tight budget that makes it impossible deca will yield best results run to 12 weeks...takes quite a long time to build up in system ..longer that any test ...long ester ...very long ..slow in = slow out. I have gotten best results in my experience with 12 weeks. Thats why i suggested 12 over 10. Test should be run 2 weeks past this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phate View Post
    i agree but he had 6 whole eggs with it which equal 20-30g of fat depending on the size which wouldn't be good with the insulin spike



    insulin spikes are fine, but not in the presence of fat
    Did u see the part where i agreed with the rest of your changes??? Including the egg whites replacing whole eggs. Easy bro..

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmyinkedup View Post
    OK IMO unless you are running NPP or are on a tight budget that makes it impossible deca will yield best results run to 12 weeks...takes quite a long time to build up in system ..longer that any test ...long ester ...very long ..slow in = slow out. I have gotten best results in my experience with 12 weeks. Thats why i suggested 12 over 10. Test should be run 2 weeks past this.
    who is this directed too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmyinkedup View Post
    Did u see the part where i agreed with the rest of your changes??? Including the egg whites replacing whole eggs. Easy bro..
    my bad, i'm not trying to come off sounding bitchy or anything at all, i've seen your posts and respect them alot

    i agree with you on every point you've made, i was just stating why i said that in case you knew something i didn't

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phate View Post
    who is this directed too?
    The guy who initially asked the question re his cycle. Some are suggesting 10 weeks w/ deca ..im sharing my experince @ 12 weeks as being better for me. Thats why i initially suggested extending deca to 12 weeks test to 14 weeks in my first response. Ithink u and i actually posted this at the same time or at least were both in the process at the same time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmyinkedup View Post
    The guy who initially asked the question re his cycle. Some are suggesting 10 weeks w/ deca ..im sharing my experince @ 12 weeks as being better for me. Thats why i initially suggested extending deca to 12 weeks test to 14 weeks in my first response. Ithink u and i actually posted this at the same time or at least were both in the process at the same time.
    probably, i think we're starting to dominate this thread, lol

    either way, i completely agree that deca should be run minimum 12 weeks

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    thanks a lot guys!!
    im deff getting my fat in check in the AM with the insulin spike, and beef up the PCT


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