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    First cycle

    ok start with stats

    25, 6', 185lbs, 13%, training 4 years

    macros- 300g protien, 200g carbs, 100g fat, 3000cals

    Cycle: test-e / deca 10weeks
    Anti-e: primo or letro?
    PCT: Nolva/clomid 10weeks starting 2 weeks after cycle

    what do you think? what should my doseage be and inject every 3.5 days or once a week?

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    also... do not want my sex drive going down, wouldnt mind it going up actually

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    you need more discipline, thanks for the honest stats though..........


    if your deadset and going to do it anyway,,,,,,,500mgs. of test for 12 weeks only

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    only test,,,,,,,,,no deca

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    Quote Originally Posted by chopper9451 View Post
    ok start with stats

    25, 6', 185lbs, 13%, training 4 years

    macros- 300g protien, 200g carbs, 100g fat, 3000cals

    Cycle: test-e / deca 10weeks -Id drop this
    Anti-e: primo or letro? - primo is not an anti estrogen-letro too strong IMO - armidex IF NEEDED .25 -.5 eod
    PCT: Nolva/clomid 10weeks starting 2 weeks after cycle 4-6weeks tops

    what do you think? what should my doseage be and inject every 3.5 days or once a week? 500 mgs test e inject 2x week
    If you want to add anything ...and its not necessary add d bol 1st 4 weeks 20 mgs/day
    Be a good idea to drop bf 2-3% prior to this
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    why drop the deca ?

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    I pulled this from another post i made :

    So many reasons a test only cycle should come first.
    1- it is the bodies predominant naturally occuring hormone that will establish muscle mass.
    2- It will -whether u start with it first cycle or not become the base for 90% of all future cycles , and if u think that doesnt apply cause u only wanna do one cycle...i got news for ya- after that one cycle you WILL wanna do more!
    3- You need to know the effects of test on your body throughout a cycle - that way when when you do stack other compounds with it you can get a true guage or feeling for what they provide for you in terms of gains , sides etc. Almost all other feelings you establish on different steroids will be based on their interaction and synergy with test . This will be your "baseline". Later you might explore how 2 or 3 compounds (maybe more) synergistically interact with one another...but you need an accurate baseline - test will provide that as it is prob the only compound that stacks well with virtually every steroid ..
    4 - IT WORKS ...WELL!
    5- straightforward ,relatively easy pct
    Oh and did i mention it works..WELL!

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    so how does this look:

    12 weeks Test-e 500mg/week (250 monday 250 thursday)
    armidex on hand
    PCT- clomid / nolva 6 weeks


    Also the BF listed in my first post was almost checked a month ago and I have been cutting up since getting ready for this cycle. I would imagine im around 11-12% at this time

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    Quote Originally Posted by chopper9451 View Post
    so how does this look:

    12 weeks Test-e 500mg/week (250 monday 250 thursday)
    armidex on hand
    PCT- clomid / nolva 6 weeks


    Also the BF listed in my first post was almost checked a month ago and I have been cutting up since getting ready for this cycle. I would imagine im around 11-12% at this time
    BF% your call 11 or less is good (thats my opinion for me)Looks good to me ..eat well ...sleep well.train smart and you will do very well IMO. Start pct week 14. Good Luck.

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    what are the drawbacks to deca for me with the test?

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    i know test E can be shot every 3D but i'd recomend EOD. Keeps your levels a little bit more stable. Thats if you dont mind the extra injections.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chopper9451 View Post
    what are the drawbacks to deca for me with the test?
    It would be more potent in your next cycle. After 2 cycles you would be better off. I'd say less sides too

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    Quote Originally Posted by chopper9451 View Post
    what are the drawbacks to deca for me with the test?
    if you experence sides, it's harder to know what compound is causing them, thats why test only is a good first cycle,and reason enough to wait before adding dbol or deca untill your second or third cycle, by then you will know how your body is going to respond to test only , just makes it way easier to recognize where the sides are comming from later on down the road aswell with other compounds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chopper9451 View Post
    what are the drawbacks to deca for me with the test?
    # 3 in the post i posted above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by auslifta View Post
    i know test E can be shot every 3D but i'd recomend EOD. Keeps your levels a little bit more stable. Thats if you dont mind the extra injections.

    test e EOD? based on the half life wouldnt that be kinda over kill? imo twice a week would be fine

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    Quote Originally Posted by nalm View Post
    test e EOD? based on the half life wouldnt that be kinda over kill? imo twice a week would be fine
    i agree - based on effective 1/2 life 2x week fine

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmyinkedup View Post
    # 3 in the post i posted above.
    PMSL, i was just scrolling through and was then about to ask chopper if he actually read any of your posts, damn that p.......

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    LATS60 i did read the posts. and they made total sense. I was just looking for what sides i might get, and i wanted to make the cycle worth it gain wise. I have read the stickys on deca as well in the profile section. Just gathering all the info i can bud

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    Quote Originally Posted by chopper9451 View Post
    LATS60 i did read the posts. and they made total sense. I was just looking for what sides i might get, and i wanted to make the cycle worth it gain wise. I have read the stickys on deca as well in the profile section. Just gathering all the info i can bud
    Fair enough, i'm just in my usual develish mood.
    My 2cc's, stick with test only 500mg wk and enjoy your workouts, you'll be more than happy with the results.

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    primo as an anti-E?

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    deca can be run next cycle, no need for it on a first. Add in some dbol to kickstart the cycle (if you want). You can inject once a week or twice a week, its up to you, I prefer twice a week myself, but thats me. Just keep to 500mg test a week, keep diet in check, train hard, dont overtrain, get plenty of rest & inject safely and hygenically and enjoy the results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hankdiesel View Post
    primo as an anti-E?
    If u read the whole thread ...he addressed this.

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    oh, my bad

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    alright so how about the sex drive? is the nolva / clomid gonna kill it?

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    as far as anti e and PCT. I have read you can use the liquidex in place of nolva/clomid. so would I run anti-e (liquidex) 1mg ever other day durring cycle. why take nothing for two weeks and then 6 weeks of nolva/clomid or liquidex?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chopper9451 View Post
    as far as anti e and PCT. I have read you can use the liquidex in place of nolva/clomid. so would I run anti-e (liquidex) 1mg ever other day durring cycle. why take nothing for two weeks and then 6 weeks of nolva/clomid or liquidex?
    1mg is overkill, .25mg ed is fine

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    k so .25mg ed durring cycle of liquidex. now if I run 12 wk of 500 test-e at week 14-20 what PCT should I do. cause I am getting a lot of conflicting info

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    Quote Originally Posted by chopper9451 View Post
    as far as anti e and PCT. I have read you can use the liquidex in place of nolva/clomid. so would I run anti-e (liquidex) 1mg ever other day durring cycle. why take nothing for two weeks and then 6 weeks of nolva/clomid or liquidex?
    You can use armidex as an anti e during cycle but not as a replacement for nolva/clomid in pct. (differnt types of compounds armidex is an aromitase inhibitor (ai) ,clomid and nolvadex are Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulators(SERM)). AI prevents aromitization of test to esrogen by blocking the aromitase enzyme - nolva and clomid bind to the estrogen receptor ...blocking effect of estrogen - they also increase luetenizing hormone and folical stimulating hormone (armidex does this but at much lower levels)- particularly important in pct. Id use armidex .25-.5 eod during cycle if u need to to control estrogen related sides. You wait 2 weeks to start pct because due to the enanthate ester of test - test levels will be too high for any pct to be effective at restoring natural test production for 2 weeks following last injection Then start nolva/clomid pct.

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    thanks for the layout there inkedup. im gonna go with the armidex for the 12 weeks eod. nothing for 2 weeks then start my PCT of clomid / nolva for 6 weeks. What mg clomid and nolva is good?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chopper9451 View Post
    k so .25mg ed durring cycle of liquidex. now if I run 12 wk of 500 test-e at week 14-20 what PCT should I do. cause I am getting a lot of conflicting info
    Might make sense to read pct thread at top of this forum and read up. See which one makes the most sense to you. 4-6 weeks of pct should work. Basic test cycle -clomid/nolva would be fine IMO. For Example = day one of pct - clomid 100mgs / nolva 40mgs. Rest of pct cycle 50 mg clomid /20 mg nolva ED. Thats just one example ..but it will work. A good tip i picked up from a memeber here (thnks mulciber) take clomid / nolva before bed ...they may have a few minor sides (clomid that is )re: irritability & can get emotional. Taking before sleep eliminates these sides.
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    I read the sticky before I even posted, I was just gathering any extra info and opinions. I really appriciate all the help from arr. My sup was gonna have me do 500 test 2x wk and 200 deca 1x wk with no anti-e and no pct.

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    Good Luck - If you keep diet in line with goal , sleep , and train well im sure u will be pleased with your results. Much more so then you would have been with your suppliers cycle and plan ..or lack there of.

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    How about running nolva and proviron for pct

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    i think for age and sex reason just do test. that will give great gains in both. deca delays ejaculation for me but if i do more than 400 mgs week it will give deca droopy dick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! oh no!!!!!!!!!!!!! i an ten years older and have done four bulking cycles!! you are young and a newbie so keep it simple with just test. and you will see great gains in weight and rock hard DI&K!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chopper9451 View Post
    ok start with stats

    25, 6', 185lbs, 13%, training 4 years

    macros- 300g protien, 200g carbs, 100g fat, 3000cals

    Cycle: test-e / deca 10weeks
    Anti-e: primo or letro?
    PCT: Nolva/clomid 10weeks starting 2 weeks after cycle

    what do you think? what should my doseage be and inject every 3.5 days or once a week?
    im same as you just had my first inj test 250 depo this morning, no pain i feel ok, did my training , so good luck!!

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    I'm gonna do test 350 2x week for 10 weeks

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    sounds good!!!!!!!!!! that will get you whatyour after!!! keep us posted!!!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chopper9451 View Post
    ok start with stats

    25, 6', 185lbs, 13%, training 4 years

    macros- 300g protien, 200g carbs, 100g fat, 3000cals

    Cycle: test-e / deca 10weeks
    Anti-e: primo or letro?
    PCT: Nolva/clomid 10weeks starting 2 weeks after cycle

    what do you think? what should my doseage be and inject every 3.5 days or once a week?

    Almost same stats and started my cycle today on test 500mg/week and deca also 500mg/week.
    First cycle is important and your gains are bigger then next cycles,so staking is a good idea. [just telling you what i heard from profesional bb]

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