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11-23-2008, 07:51 PM
O2020

Feedback on second cycle

Hello guys, Im a LONG time reader and finally decided to join (last week, just now got my account activated) :hello::hello::hello:

I did a Sustanon 375 cycle (3 shots a week) for my first cycle.. ouch. :tear:

Anywho, Im looking to start a second cycle in 5 months, some feedback would be greatly appreciated!!

Test E
Deca 200
Nolvadex

Week 1-12:
250mg test e - twice a week (Monday & Thursday to) to equal 500mg a week.
200mg Deca - once a week

PCT:
40/40/20/20 Nolvadex but it will be at hand if needed during the cycle.

Male
24 years old
206 lbs
15%BF
5'8"

THANK YOU!! If anything else you guys need (info) let me know
11-23-2008, 07:57 PM
vishus

good, basic cycle bro. my only opinion would be to up the deca to 400mg instead of 200mg...you'll get way better results and more mass. also make sure to stop taking the deca at week 10. ALSO put CLOMID in your PCT along with the nolva: 100/50/50/50....besides that good luck :D
11-23-2008, 07:58 PM
Phate

Quote:

Originally Posted by O2020

Hello guys, Im a LONG time reader and finally decided to join (last week, just now got my account activated) :hello::hello::hello:

I did a Sustanon 375 cycle (3 shots a week) for my first cycle.. ouch. :tear:
i'll just leave this one alone since you already have the tear emoticon up
Anywho, Im looking to start a second cycle in 5 months, some feedback would be greatly appreciated!!

Test E
Deca 200
Nolvadex

Week 1-12:
250mg test e - twice a week (Monday & Thursday to) to equal 500mg a week.monday morning and thursday night would be best
200mg Deca - once a weeki would shoot 400mg with your test(same injection)

PCT:
40/40/20/20 Nolvadex but it will be at hand if needed during the cycle.
Testosterone gets converted to estrogen via the aromatase enzyme, but deca doesn't aromatize to estrogen at all, instead it stimulates progestrone, which can cause the same sides as estrogen, but here's the kicker
Since test stimulates sides via estrogen and deca stimulates sides via progestrone if you get sides which do you treat the gyno, acne, whatever... things like nolva actually can make sides caused by deca worse by making the progesterone receptors more sensitive

so no nolva during cycle

pct is weak and needs revising
Male
24 years old
206 lbs
15%BF
5'8"

THANK YOU!! If anything else you guys need (info) let me know

post diet for critique
11-23-2008, 08:00 PM
mkcay7979

you need a better pct
some thing more like

2wks 100mg clomid 20mg nolvadex everyday for
4wks 50clomid 20mg nolvadex

LiquiDex should run the whole cycle to cut down on bloating

and it would be good to get hcg to run the last 2 weeks of your cycle and first 2weeks of your pct
11-23-2008, 08:04 PM
jimmyinkedup

^^^ agreed (phate)- if estrogen related sides on cycle id use armidex .25-.5 ed ...with first use of deca to be honest you may have a hard time differentiating estro vs prog sides ...i never use nolva on cycle w/ 19 nor (deca , tren)
id up deca to 400mgs/week
id extend test to 14 weeks
stop deca at 12 weeks
pct should at least include clomid+ nolva or nolva + aromisin or nolva+ proviron+ clomid
11-23-2008, 08:10 PM
O2020

Quote:

Originally Posted by vishus

good, basic cycle bro. my only opinion would be to up the deca to 400mg instead of 200mg...you'll get way better results and more mass. also make sure to stop taking the deca at week 10. ALSO put CLOMID in your PCT along with the nolva: 100/50/50/50....besides that good luck :D

thankyou!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phate

post diet for critique

thanks as well bro!!

Diet is in check:

On cycle diet:

#1
6 whole eggs
16oz orange juice
2 bananas
4 slices WW toast
1 Scoop whey

#2
2 Scoops whey

#3
6-8oz chicken
greens
4oz(dry) WW pasta or LARGE sweet potato

#4 (Pre-WO)
Same as #3 (but 5oz pasta)

#5(PWO)
2 scoops whey
16oz orange juice

#6
2 cans of tuna
small sweet potato

#7 (BED)
2 scoops syntha-6 w/2 cups skim milk

I also snack on nuts (no pun intended) and take 1g BCAA between every meal
11-23-2008, 08:12 PM
clockwork_killer

yip with theese changes it will b a gd cycle
11-23-2008, 08:21 PM
Phate

Quote:

Originally Posted by O2020

thankyou!

thanks as well bro!!

Diet is in check:

On cycle diet:

#1
6 whole eggswhy 2-3 whole eggs and 8total egg whites?
16oz orange juicewhy do you want to create an insulin spike in the morning by taking in liquid sugar? jw?
2 bananas
4 slices WW toast
1 Scoop whey

#2
2 Scoops whey
why just protein here, it'll be digested in 30-45 minutes and then your stomach will be empty
#3
6-8oz chicken
greens
4oz(dry) WW pasta or LARGE sweet potato

#4 (Pre-WO)
Same as #3 (but 5oz pasta)

#5(PWO)
2 scoops whey
16oz orange juice
need more carbs here, i do 2.5 scoops and whey and 70-80g of carbs at least
#6
2 cans of tuna
small sweet potato

#7 (BED)
2 scoops syntha-6 w/2 cups skim milk
is this a slow digesting protein? i hope so, and you should have some good fats in your last meal

I also snack on nuts (no pun intended) and take 1g BCAA between every meal

1g of bcaa will do nothing, BCAAs are protein, so it's like saying you are taking 1g of protein in between meals, though 10-15 would be good, just got post workout as they will fight with the precursors in the whey protein

how many calories is this diet, it seems more like a cutter than a bulker
11-23-2008, 08:26 PM
hankdiesel

test 500mg 12 weeks
deca 400mg 10 weeks
11-23-2008, 08:27 PM
jimmyinkedup

^^^ phate insulin spike in am not necessarily a bad thing takes body kickstarts into an anabolic state - making sure with carb/pro/ no fat. When taking exogenous insulin for bb purposes most will use in am and pwo. This mimics that but using food to create insulin spike. I shouldnt prob have answered for him but i like the rest of your diet suggestions ..just not opposed to this.
11-23-2008, 08:27 PM
O2020

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phate

1g of bcaa will do nothing, BCAAs are protein, so it's like saying you are taking 1g of protein in between meals, though 10-15 would be good, just got post workout as they will fight with the precursors in the whey protein

how many calories is this diet, it seems more like a cutter than a bulker

yes, slow digesting protein
also, ive known to have to spike my insulin in the morning and PWO?

ALSO

I AM A COMPETITIVE BODYBUILDER
11-23-2008, 08:27 PM
Phate

Quote:

Originally Posted by hankdiesel

test 500mg 12 weeks
deca 400mg 10 weeks

i would say test 14weeks deca 12weeks, you have to account for the time it takes to peak in your system
11-23-2008, 08:29 PM
Phate

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimmyinkedup

^^^ phate insulin spike in am not necessarily a bad thing takes body kickstarts into an anabolic state - making sure with carb/pro/ no fat. When taking exogenous insulin for bb purposes most will use in am and pwo. This mimics that but using food to create insulin spike. I shouldnt prob have answered for him but i like the rest of your diet suggestions ..just not opposed to this.

i agree but he had 6 whole eggs with it which equal 20-30g of fat depending on the size which wouldn't be good with the insulin spike

Quote:

Originally Posted by O2020

yes, slow digesting protein
also, ive known to have to spike my insulin in the morning and PWO?

insulin spikes are fine, but not in the presence of fat
11-23-2008, 08:33 PM
jimmyinkedup

OK IMO unless you are running NPP or are on a tight budget that makes it impossible deca will yield best results run to 12 weeks...takes quite a long time to build up in system ..longer that any test ...long ester ...very long ..slow in = slow out. I have gotten best results in my experience with 12 weeks. Thats why i suggested 12 over 10. Test should be run 2 weeks past this.
11-23-2008, 08:34 PM
jimmyinkedup

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phate

i agree but he had 6 whole eggs with it which equal 20-30g of fat depending on the size which wouldn't be good with the insulin spike

insulin spikes are fine, but not in the presence of fat

Did u see the part where i agreed with the rest of your changes??? Including the egg whites replacing whole eggs. Easy bro..
11-23-2008, 08:34 PM
Phate

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimmyinkedup

OK IMO unless you are running NPP or are on a tight budget that makes it impossible deca will yield best results run to 12 weeks...takes quite a long time to build up in system ..longer that any test ...long ester ...very long ..slow in = slow out. I have gotten best results in my experience with 12 weeks. Thats why i suggested 12 over 10. Test should be run 2 weeks past this.

who is this directed too?
11-23-2008, 08:37 PM
Phate

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimmyinkedup

Did u see the part where i agreed with the rest of your changes??? Including the egg whites replacing whole eggs. Easy bro..

my bad, i'm not trying to come off sounding bitchy or anything at all, i've seen your posts and respect them alot

i agree with you on every point you've made, i was just stating why i said that in case you knew something i didn't
11-23-2008, 08:38 PM
jimmyinkedup

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phate

who is this directed too?

The guy who initially asked the question re his cycle. Some are suggesting 10 weeks w/ deca ..im sharing my experince @ 12 weeks as being better for me. Thats why i initially suggested extending deca to 12 weeks test to 14 weeks in my first response. Ithink u and i actually posted this at the same time or at least were both in the process at the same time.
11-23-2008, 08:40 PM
Phate

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimmyinkedup

The guy who initially asked the question re his cycle. Some are suggesting 10 weeks w/ deca ..im sharing my experince @ 12 weeks as being better for me. Thats why i initially suggested extending deca to 12 weeks test to 14 weeks in my first response. Ithink u and i actually posted this at the same time or at least were both in the process at the same time.

probably, i think we're starting to dominate this thread, lol

either way, i completely agree that deca should be run minimum 12 weeks
11-23-2008, 09:32 PM
O2020

thanks a lot guys!!
im deff getting my fat in check in the AM with the insulin spike, and beef up the PCT :D

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