very confusing!!!

**bahrianite** · 11-27-2008, 05:01 PM

ok guys this is one thing that has really kept me confused for a very long time!!!so now i want all of your views on it!!!but i am sure the best answers would come from people who have been using juice since the 90's.!!

we all have heard how nolva cant be used for treating gyno in a decca cycle because decca is a progestron!!!but one thing that really intrigues me is the fact that some of the books i read that were pulished in the 90's (e.g layman guides by mick hart!!) all had nolva in the cycles even if the cycle had decca!! and all of the old school guys i have met also say that they used nolva on decca cycle as well!!!but now a days people just say its almost like sucide using nolvca on a decca cycle!!!please help me in solving this issue out!!!and we all do know that in the 90's people were using decca like crazy and using nolva on cycle!!!so whats the real deal??

**redz** · 11-27-2008, 05:23 PM

There are better choices than nolva available these days but Nolva would still be better than nothing in all likelyhood if gyno were to develope.

**john1181** · 11-27-2008, 05:24 PM

i always used nolva with deca even at high dea doses and no gyno nor did i ave lumps nothig...acne on the other hand was messed up baaaad..my whole bac was sick itching and just filled with acne..went away after pct..

**MercyDog** · 11-27-2008, 05:24 PM

times change.....................people change..........................internet

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**inky-e** · 11-27-2008, 05:25 PM

I've sais it before and I'll say it again...Nothing's written in stone as far as this shit goes.

**UncleD** · 11-27-2008, 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by inky-e

I've sais it before and I'll say it again...Nothing's written in stone as far as this shit goes.

carbo way way better then nolva for 19nors waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better and its proven to work with 19nors atleast

**bahrianite** · 11-27-2008, 05:29 PM

great to see all the replies!!!thanks!!!

so now most of the people here have tried nolva with decca and they were fine with it!!!right!!!so why is it that this concept o not using it with decca originated!!!i know there are far better drugs out there but the reason for me asking is i know i am prone to gyno ( have very small lumps ) not visible to the eye at all!from past test e cycle!!and i wanted to run decca and cant afford anything other than nolva!!!so what do you guys suggest!

**UncleD** · 11-27-2008, 05:33 PM

its the fact that deca is a 19nor, raise progestin, nolva doesnt do jack for progesten so ive gatherd carbo does so ive heard, so common sence says to go with carbo???

**bahrianite** · 11-27-2008, 05:41 PM

bro your are not getting what i am trying to say ,its like this all the old timers used nolva ,u even saw some people in this thread say that they did and were totally fine!!!and if i am not mistaken i read some where that if you kept estrogen under control and stopped it from binding then the progeston will be kept in control too!!!i am not sure about it but all the old timers did use nolva efectivly!!i dont wanna talk about common sense i wanna know what people expierenced first hand!!

**LATS60** · 11-27-2008, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by bahrianite

great to see all the replies!!!thanks!!!

so now most of the people here have tried nolva with decca and they were fine with it!!!right!!!so why is it that this concept o not using it with decca originated!!!i know there are far better drugs out there but the reason for me asking is i know i am prone to gyno ( have very small lumps ) not visible to the eye at all!from past test e cycle!!and i wanted to run decca and cant afford anything other than nolva!!!so what do you guys suggest!

The reason for this theory is based on the fact that tamoxifen excites and upregulates Pgr, weather this theory is applicable in the case of 19nors is debatable, no relevant studies have ever been done.
IMO, SERMS should be used for PCT anyway, run an AI on cycle(if anything) and this scenario should never arise

**UncleD** · 11-27-2008, 05:45 PM

Originally Posted by bahrianite

bro your are not getting what i am trying to say ,its like this all the old timers used nolva ,u even saw some people in this thread say that they did and were totally fine!!!and if i am not mistaken i read some where that if you kept estrogen under control and stopped it from binding then the progeston will be kept in control too!!!i am not sure about it but all the old timers did use nolva efectivly!!i dont wanna talk about common sense i wanna know what people expierenced first hand!!

ok i what your saying, and well ive used nolva with deca and caber with deca, i had no dick probs and 0 nipple soreness running carbo, with nolva i had both that answer your Q??
and btw useing alil of this and a lil of that and getting good results is better then useing alot of one thing going about somthing one sided just a random thought

**UncleD** · 11-27-2008, 05:46 PM

as in combating progesteron and estrogen instead of just estrogen..

**bahrianite** · 11-27-2008, 05:49 PM

hmmmm ok thats informative to know uncled!!thanks a lot for your replies guys so have we come to a s olid conclusion that nolva wont be efective at all with decca!!!

**LATS60** · 11-27-2008, 05:53 PM

Originally Posted by bahrianite

hmmmm ok thats informative to know uncled!!thanks a lot for your replies guys so have we come to a s olid conclusion that nolva wont be efective at all with decca!!!

Really, i didn't say that in #10.

**bahrianite** · 11-27-2008, 05:58 PM

i know what you said lats actually my problem is i can get test and decca but letro and arimidex are too expensive,i can only afford nolva!!and i know i am gyno prone so i would run it throughout my cycle!!so i dont really wanna risk having bitch tits!!!so what do you say about nolva and decca?

**LATS60** · 11-27-2008, 06:12 PM

Originally Posted by bahrianite

i know what you said lats actually my problem is i can get test and decca but letro and arimidex are too expensive,i can only afford nolva!!and i know i am gyno prone so i would run it throughout my cycle!!so i dont really wanna risk having bitch tits!!!so what do you say about nolva and decca?

My advice would be run your cycle and the nolva.

**bahrianite** · 11-27-2008, 06:15 PM

ok great so how does this look?

week 1-12 - test e 500 mg
week 1-10-decca 200 or 300mg
week 1-3- oxymetholone 50 mg
20 mg nolvadex daily starting from 1 week before the cycle!!!

then wait for 2 weeks and start my pct!!!

**LATS60** · 11-27-2008, 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by bahrianite

ok great so how does this look?

week 1-12 - test e 500 mg
week 1-10-decca 200 or 300mg
week 1-3- oxymetholone 50 mg
20 mg nolvadex daily starting from 1 week before the cycle!!!

then wait for 2 weeks and start my pct!!!

Looks good to me mate. It's only AI's that you'll benefit from starting before your cycle, they take 4 days to hit and 7 for steady plasma levels, TAM is straight in there so need to start early.

**bahrianite** · 11-27-2008, 06:34 PM

arite gr8 bro so this is what i will do then!!thanks alot!!

**inky-e** · 11-27-2008, 07:40 PM

Originally Posted by bahrianite

bro your are not getting what i am trying to say ,its like this all the old timers used nolva ,u even saw some people in this thread say that they did and were totally fine!!!and if i am not mistaken i read some where that if you kept estrogen under control and stopped it from binding then the progeston will be kept in control too!!!i am not sure about it but all the old timers did use nolva efectivly!!i dont wanna talk about common sense i wanna know what people expierenced first hand!!

I've never run an AI throughout an entire cycle...either test solo or stacks of test/deca and test/tren .....I have used adex at signs of gyno temporarily....then adex and nolva in PCT....Its what has worked for me... I don't care if anyone says adex and nolva shouldn't be run together in PCT...I've done it and it worked for me.