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Wanting to put together my second cycle. Please give me your iputs and critiques.
Weeks 1-4: Anadrol or D-bol at 100mg ed (2x / day at 50mg, 6am and 6pm)
Weeks 1-12: Test Cyp @ 600mg / wk (Mon. am and Thurs. pm)
Weeks 1-12: HGH @ 4 ius ED (6 days on, 1 day off)
Weeks 1-12: Deca @ 400 mg / wk (Mon. am and Thurs. pm)
Weeks 1-16: Letro
For PCT - TRT dose of Test and HGH!
Which is 100 ml / wk of Test C and not sure of gh dose yet.
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What was your first cycle?
What were the results from your first cycle?
Stats?
Why no PCT?
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1) Sust 250 (wk 1-8), Test Cyp(wk 8-12), D-Bol(wk 1-6), Letro (throughout), and T3/Clen (wk 12-14)Originally Posted by marcus300
2) Gained 15 lbs, Kept about 10
3)5'11, 210, Lifting 10+ years off/on
4) I'm on TRT for life
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Drop the Dbol completely let alone your very high dosage. Your on TRT for life, you do not need the extra stress from orals on your organs/health.
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pretty heavy for second cycle
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I really didn't get a whole lot of sides from the first round of dbol and was even thinking about going with Anadrol to see if I got a better result.
I was fairly impressed with the first cycle, but wanted more. I think that I can handle the higher dose. I had No major sides with the first cycle other than some gyno, which I stopped it quick with the letro.
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Would Eq be a better choice than the deca?
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id stop deca a week or two before test ...and no eq prob would not be better ..im assuming you are trying to bulk? Eq might assist along with deca /test esp if longer cycle but vs deca - no. Oral im assuming to jump start -dose is way high imo ..you wont keep any gains from those orals by end of cycle ...but they will ensure a quick start and base till test kicks in. 100mg/day = unecessary IMO.
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You're off the hook bro. hahaha
100mgs dbol ed? I don't think so. The cyp and deca dosages are good but run the test at least 2 weeks longer man. And more deca wouldn't hurt. As far as the hgh goes; you're looking for a quick fix and you won't find it there. That shit's for the long haul man. Ask Gear or PT about it. They know more than i do.
Why not try this:
50mgs dbol ed for 6 weeks
Cyp @ 800mgs
Deca @ 600mgs
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^^^ u arent shy with the dosages either are you bro?(for a 2nd cycle?) *L* i was thinking d bol -30 mgs ..keep test and deca the same ... either way good advice IMO ..
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What exactly is your goal for this cycle?
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If you run letro the entire cycle you may hurt your gains and libido by lowering your estrogen too much. I'll bet you got your gyno issues in part from the Dbol. If you run the anadrol, you wont get near as much estro sides. If you're concerned run .25 mg adex ED. I would start the anadrol at 50mg ED. The rest looks ok.
As far as the HGH, you will burn fat with that dose. Ive run up to 10iu a day and believe me, it burns fat. And there is a synergistic effect with test and hgh.
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My goal is to bulk heavy. I'm sitting at 210 right now and want to be 225 or 230 by the end of the cycle.
Ok. I will do the anadrol at 50 mg per day. Keep the Test at 600 mg and Stop the deca or the eq 2 weeks before the test.
I have seen mixed reviews on the eq vs. deca and it seems that eq leads by a narrow margin. My friend says that he was stronger on the eq and deca gave him really oily skin. The deca seems to be good for joint pains, but eq is better for less water retention and stamina.
The HGH I'm not sure yet about the dosage on that. I know I will need 5-7 for bulking and I may have to wait for that to stock up (6 months worth) before i start that.
I ran the dbol at 100 at day on the last cycle and wasn't impress with it. I had NO sides either, maybe because I ran the letro along side it to minimize gyno.
So to conclude, I'm looking at:
Weeks 1-4: Dbol @ 100mg ed (2x / day at 50mg, 6am and 6pm)
*because I already have Dbol. Unless you all think that anadrol is that much better. Need $ for the Eq!
I would run Anadrol at 50 mg ed.
Weeks 1-12: Test Cyp @ 600mg / wk (Mon. am and Thurs. pm)
Weeks 1-10: Eq @ 400 mg / wk (Mon. am and Thurs. pm)
Letro at .25 mg per day or Armidex at .25 mg
PCT:
Test C @ 100 mg / wk
Last edited by CeeLo; 11-30-2008 at 08:02 PM.
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I need help on the Eq vs. Deca .......Please
There are so many mixed opinons, from what I've been reading, it seems almost a dead heet!
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Why do you say I'm off the hook bro? I ran dbol at 100 mgs ed for about 3 weeks I didn't see any ill effects nor was I impressed with the stregth or size gains. I didn't pick up too much water. I into the hgh for the long hall. I get it from the doc, so no need to stop. I just need to hold off until I get enough for 6 months at 5-7 ius a day.
Do think that I really need to jump up to 800 mg on the test. I did 600 on the last cycle and had good results. What I do wether it is 600 or 800, I need to keep the eq about 200 mgs less.
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Your first cycle was test and Dbol. This cycle you're adding deca (deca is way better then EQ, no contest for gains) and you're going to switch it up and run anadrol at 50mg Ed instead of Dbol. I would leave the test at 600. No reason to increase it as you're adding another compound in the Deca. If you do this, you have a decent cycle. I don't think the growth is going to do much for building muscle unless you run it higher. Unless you wanted to run it to keep fat gain down.
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