Which cycle? test p/masteron/winny, or npp/test p, or test/deca

[muhammad1185]

hi guys,

Ive been recommended the below cycles by the very helpful members from the board, the thing is im kind off stick for choice, so i thought Id post all 3 cycles and and go with the one with the most recommendations.

cycle 1) test p, masteron, winny

cycle 2) npp and test p

cycle 3) test e and deca


the doses/length and pct have to still be decided on,

i want to bulk up, gain strength and muscle, hold minimum water, so i keep my definition and keep my gains after cycle.
i would also like to keep sides to a minimum


whats your personal choice from experience guys?

thanks alot.

[Mulciber]

you want everything now dont ya..lol


ehhhh, lets go with #3

[Dukkit]

you need to sit back and decide what you REALLY need to do.. not what you want. cuz what you want.. is impossible.

do you need to cut or do you need to bulk??

then you can decide a cycle.

[tbjake34]

#3

Not a fan of the other two at all..

[Bigmax]

2 and 3 are the same except one is fast acting and the other long acting ester...Bulk...go with 3 and keep protein and calories high..

[WARMachine]

Stats ?
age
height
weight
bf%
diet summary/# meals per day
years lifting / workout split
cycle experience
pct/estrogen control knowledge
goals (size/cut/strength/speed etc...)



And i gotta agree with Dukk, pick one, bulk or cut.

i want to bulk up, gain strength and muscle, hold minimum water, so i keep my definition and keep my gains after cycle.
i would also like to keep sides to a minimum

You can bulk on almost anything bro. And keeping the water retentionto a minimum is up to you, and your diet.

[marcus300]

If you want to bulk I would go with cycle 3, but I like cycle 1 for a solid lean cycle....what were your previous cycles and your stats?

[muhammad1185]

thanks guys, i want to bulk and put on lean muscle mass. I was thinking cycle 3 aswel. my stats are- age 23, weight 63kg, been training for 2 years, had a test e cycle before.

[muhammad1185]

[QUOTE=war4BTT;4318251]Stats ?
age
height
weight
bf%
diet summary/# meals per day
years lifting / workout split
cycle experience
pct/estrogen control knowledge
goals (size/cut/strength/speed etc...)



age- 23

height- 5'8

weight- 63kgs

bf%- around 10% or under

diet summary/# meals per day- 2500 calories a day, 200g protein
years lifting / workout split- 2 years, change my workouts often, 3-4 day splits

cycle experience- 1 previous test e cycle

pct/estrogen control knowledge- i know alot about pct, been reading up on that for quite some time, i got nolva, proviron, clomid, and aromasin for pct, letro and adex on hand for ai control.

goals (size/cut/strength/speed etc...) goals are size, strength and muscle mass with defination, dont want the bloat, because ill loose it after cycle

[tbjake34]

[QUOTE=muhammad1185;4318608]

Stats ?
age
height
weight
bf%
diet summary/# meals per day
years lifting / workout split
cycle experience
pct/estrogen control knowledge
goals (size/cut/strength/speed etc...)



age- 23

height- 5'8

weight- 63kgs

bf%- around 10% or under

diet summary/# meals per day- 2500 calories a day, 200g protein
years lifting / workout split- 2 years, change my workouts often, 3-4 day splits

cycle experience- 1 previous test e cycle

pct/estrogen control knowledge- i know alot about pct, been reading up on that for quite some time, i got nolva, proviron, clomid, and aromasin for pct, letro and adex on hand for ai control.

goals (size/cut/strength/speed etc...) goals are size, strength and muscle mass with defination, dont want the bloat, because ill loose it after cycle

Your diet needs work bro... 2500 cals a day and 200g protein is nothing..

[inky-e]

#3 if you up your food intake.

[daem]

#1 is a pretty advanced cycle , and I'm not quite sure how you'll feel after week 3 of every day injections for all 3 compounds.

#3 is by far the easiest to gain strength/mass, but water will be a factor.

Given your past experiences of a 2x / wk injection schedule of only 1 compound, I've talked myself out of #1 (the one I recommended) and now recommend #3.

[T_Own]

for the water i think the short esters. and i would say #1 except for the 2 dht's, some people might not go over well with that

[mx3]

I would go with #2 except I would add winstol. test p,winni,npp they will all kick in fast. you have great synergy with the test, 19-nor, dht. that is a great bulker that will alleviate your water retention concerns.

[muhammad1185]

Ive read up on anavar and eq, they are meant to be very effective for producing lean muscle mass, and not very androgenic, could i add one of these to a test e and deca cycle, or would it be better to take either eq or anavar with test e?

boy im really confused now, i think i have to stop the research, because at the min my cycle looks something like

test e, deca, anavar, eq. winny, i just want to add everything to it.

[lozza89]

mate your 5'8 n arund 140lbs , your diet isnt looking good and your leaving it upto other people to pick your cycle, no disrespect or anything but it doesnt seem like your ready atall

[muhammad1185]

mate your 5'8 n arund 140lbs , your diet isnt looking good and your leaving it upto other people to pick your cycle, no disrespect or anything but it doesnt seem like your ready atall

i see where youre coming from but its better getting advice on which cycle would be best, than taking injections and coming on here crying for help, asking for advice and peoples personal experiences is what a smart person would do, my diet can be improved, so thats not an issue,

[jimmyinkedup]

2nd cycle id go with #3 ...see how u do with the addition of deca...there will be plenty of time in future cycles to add additional compounds. Get an idea on how u respond to deca ...you know how test works for you ..now go with a tried and true test/deca stack and see how it goes. The diet improvement is an issue...one you would be best served to address ...if you know that and do it you will only benefit from it. Whatever you go with it would be nice to know dosages you have in mind. IMHO you are young to cycle but that bridge has been crossed and its just my personal opinion.