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Some friends want to cut...would say body fat from 10-15% on all of them. What do you think of a 16 week eq /8 week winny cycle? Any problems with sex drive here?
Would a low dose test e/winny be better? They want to run winny with either a test or eq only.
Thanks
test and winny much better option
I'm voting the low dose test/winstrol option, at a dosage of 400 or 500mg EW of test, and 50mg/ED of winstrol.
Go with:
1-12 - Test E @ 500mg/EW
8-14 - Winstrol @ 50mg/ED
Anti-E on hand in case of estrogenic sides
PCT following the standard on this board
EQ has never been suppressive for me, but I really doubt that your friends will have anywhere near the results from EQ/winny for 16 wks as they will from test/winny for 14.
agreed^^^^^ test and winni, although personally id opt for test p during a cutting cycle if you can take the pain.Quote:
Originally Posted by daem
Would there be a big difference in the test e/winny over the eq/winny. Keep in mind that they are all big guys around 230 with just a little layer of body fat and they don't want any (not much) additional size. I know for me, test e @ 500/wk will throw on 20 pounds. I react well to test. Eq has always given me real good vascular results, about the same as winny just not as fast.
I'd still think there are better compounds than EQ to meet those needs, and test is most definitely one of them.
Why not recommend Anavar @ 60mg/ED to them if they want to do an oral?
They could definitely cut on 500mg / EW of test if they kept calories near 3K and did significant cardio.
A caloric intake of roughly of 20% Carbs, 60% protein, and 20% fat should do the trick nicely, especially if the fat is from an EFA and not whole food.
Go over to the diet section and learn some, then come back with a better proposed cycle.
Good luck.
people seem to thing test is just gonna blow them up.. way more to it than just injecting some test.. you can get whatever results are desired with proper diet
What are their stats and cycle/training history?Quote:
Originally Posted by playahplayah
From the above cycles, the test e and winny looks the better of the two but hard to give solid advice when we know nothing about the people who are wanting to take these compounds.
Why not just test?
There are lots of studies on the fat burning effects of testosterone.....
Just keep the dosage reasonable, and control your estrogen.
This will be their first. They all are ex-pro football players..never touched the stuff.. I laughed too, but it's true. All of them are around 240, 6'1 - 6'3 and prob 15% BF if I had to guess. They work out regularly and eat pretty healthy, have solid arms, shoulders, leg, but some body fat on chest, abs, lower back. When you look at them, you can tell they are extremely strong, just typical football player bodies.
They should really each make a profile and ask questions for themselves.
But if they decline, i agree with what was stated above.
What dose of test e would you recommend?
dont you have a pretty good idea already? maybe you could put a little something together including anti-e-s and pct then we can take a look at what ya got..
The norm is 400-500mgs a week for 10-12 weeks.Quote:
Originally Posted by playahplayah
Study up more so you have all the bases covered incase of potential side effects.
Bro I don't need to study up on the basics. I don't claim to know everything, but I know enough about sust, deca, eq, test e, and winny to do just fine. I HAVE NEVER used test e for cutting, so I was asking what dose for cutting! I've always ran test e around 500 and eq or Deca @ 400-425 with great results. Evereybody is different..just as some run eq at 600 plus...
If anyone has an answer to what dose a cutting cycle would be on test e, then please say so..don't tell me to read up cause there isn't much info on cutting with test that I can find. Besides, this is a place to ask questions is it not? if you don't want to help then don't reply. If 500 is the dose for cutting, then I would assume that a change of diet to less cals is called for...thats what I'm looking for...DETAILS on how to cut with test e and what dose, what cal level, etc.
Thanks
If I were to use it for me I'd run test e @ 500, eq at 400, and throw in winny for the last 4-6 weeks depending on where I am. Pct would be about 18 days after last inject and consist of Nolva @ 20mg/day for 3 weeks and clomid at 100 first 3 days, then 50/day. Maybe some hMG if I felt shut down. If there were any side such as gyno, then the nolva should take care of it..if not I have letro on hand. Am I missing anything?
As for cutting, I've never done a cut cycle which is why I am asking you.
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Originally Posted by playahplayah
Other than that, nope its great... Thats well put together bro..
IMO, 3-400mgs if a good place to start.
Or better yet, Test P which has limited if any water retention is best to be used as a cutter.
Only drawbacks are it seems to be more painful than other tests. And it needs to be pinned ED.
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Originally Posted by playahplayah
If you know so damn much, why are you asking for opinions on here smart ass? You don't know shit and it's obvious.
You keep asking what dose should you take of test e to cut. I told you... I guess reading and comprehending isn't a strong point of yours. Also, You can cut on basically every aas out there. It's all diet. More proof of how much knowledge you have. Glad you have all the bases covered......:bs::icon_roll
Take your attitude some where else... Especially when someone is trying to enlighten you on a subject your obviously not familiar with.
My next cutting cycle is test suspension and anadrol ..that'll work right? *L*- just a joke ok? :2jk:Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG_TRUCK
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Originally Posted by jimmyinkedup
It would be difficult compared to other aas, but it is possible to cut on them as well.
Low doses along with estrogen control so bloat will not be to much an issue, even though many still bloat while using fairly high AI dosages. But on cycle bloat/water, does not mean you are not losing fat during. Then once off the water will subside.
But that would be a individual thing with those compounds. :lol:
Some naturally lean folk, may can get by! Some Folk don't even bloat too.
ALso, starting Body fat % and what you want to get down to would be a HUGE factor.
Actually years ago anadrol with a diueretic was very popular at contest time. Dangerous as hell but you had the size from drol and lost the h2o with diueretic. Oh btw - I hate those naturally lean bastards!Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG_TRUCK
Thanks Bro...I was concidering the Test P for them, but these big boys are nervous of the pins! LOL Maybe I'll present that to them and leave it up to them to pick pain or not.. Thanks
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LMAO... seems War4 with 4,000 plus posts thinks that I got it right...I'm sure he's been over this on this board about 600 times more than you. I'm not saying that your limited posts indicates your ignorance, it's your verbalism and hostility to pick a fight that shows that. I bet you're a Mr Punaverse guy...squiggy! You have issue man...seriously! As for me, I'm not afraid to ask for other opinions even if I feel i know the answer...that's how you learn . Sometimes you'll find that what you think is right isn't, and what you think isn't right...IS...CAN YOU UNDERSTAND THE LETTERS I AM TYPING OR SHALL I S L O W I T D O W N F O R Y O U...Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG_TRUCK
Also, if you read my post you'll see that I mentioned diet being the factor in cutting. Yes you can cut with almost any compound, but some are way better than others...as War mentioned Test P over E b/c of water gain... Open your eyes and pay attention instead of jumping on someone for a fight...you might end up face down on the concrete one day paryin for your mommy to help you gather your teeth.
cat fight
I had to go back and read my post that seemed to fire off Big truck...thinking that maybe I was rude..but I don't see it... Just another Ahole looking to fight behind the internet. Just drop it bro and move on, as you're ruining my thread.
Once again being behind a keyboard proves to be the most anabolic substance known to man *L*
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lmao... you talking to me...